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Offline CyberusTopic starter

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SIMMs
« on: March 13, 2003, 07:17:35 PM »
Hi
If you have some 72-pin SIMMs, say that you acquired from a boot fair (erm, place people sell crap they don't want out of the 'trunk' of their car), how would you know how much RAM it contained? They only seem to have numbers and codes on, but nothing that indicates the size?

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Re: SIMMs
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2003, 07:19:30 PM »
I don't know of another than to stick them in a accellerator and check how much mem Avail says is available.

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Re: SIMMs
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2003, 07:25:28 PM »
So I don't risk ruining an accelerator in any way?
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Re: SIMMs
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2003, 07:47:20 PM »
Hey, check out this site:

http://www.chipmunk.nl/DRAM/ChipManufacturers.htm

I have found it extremely usefull.

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Re: SIMMs
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2003, 07:55:04 PM »
Hi Cyberus,

I've bought some 2nd hand SIMMs from a shop called Computer Exchange (Totenham Court Road, London) and they had a little device that checks SIMMs and tells them the size. So maybe a friendly computer shop might be able to tell you (assuming they have one of these gadgets). Otherwise it's try and see methinks :-)
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Re: SIMMs
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2003, 08:10:37 PM »
How about tell the number on the chips, and hoe many chips are on the module... I'll tell you after I know these things.

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Re: SIMMs
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2003, 12:51:35 AM »
Very difficult to tell without doing one of the tests outlined above.  There's no way to tell by counting the chips, as these can be different sizes themselves.  Sometimes you could get the same memopy size simm with chips just on one side, and one with chips on both sides.  

I suppose that if the chips have a manufacturer nbame on them, you could poissibly contact the company to get a value for that single DRAM chip and then multiply it by the number of chips....

You shouldn't cause any damage to anything by putting the wrong SIMM in it, it just may not be able to address all of the available memory on the chips, possibly giving you a result that is lower than it should be - either that, or it wont work at all.  The worst this could do is destabilize a system...  

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Re: SIMMs
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2003, 03:36:30 AM »
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You shouldn't cause any damage to anything by putting the wrong SIMM in it, it just may not be able to address all of the available memory on the chips, possibly giving you a result that is lower than it should be - either that, or it wont work at all. The worst this could do is destabilize a system...


Correct....  Provided you don't jam in an improper SIMM (indexed differently, etc) or physically break your SIMM mount (some are fragile in old age!) you shouldn't damage anything.  Especially not the card.  If anything, the risk is on the SIMM (if by some strange chance it's a lower voltage, yet still indexed as a normal voltage - might happen in a specialty SIMM designed for a printer, or something like that, but very VERY rare.)  

Now, it won't guarantee that you'll properly identify a SIMM module, though.  As stated, if it's larger than your accelerator supports, the SIMM will be misdetected, and the system probably won't run stable.  

The best way to identify a SIMM module may be to type the chip code into google and see what comes up.  Start reading and following links from there.  I've done that to identify ZIP chips before...
 

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Re: SIMMs
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2003, 07:50:22 PM »
Did you already try to put the codes in Google. I did it once when my AmigaONE was delivered with the wrong memory with good results.
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Re: SIMMs
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2003, 02:28:22 AM »
I do the google thing too, and generally find just what I need. plugging the numbers on the individual chips themselves in, and searching through the semiconductor lists that pop up can help.

for example I have a SIMM here with:

SEC    KOREA
525Y
KM48C2100AJ-70

the last number looks likely - about all I can tell straight off is it's 70ns. plugging the "48c2100" into google, I come across a page showing that as a:

IC-DRAM 48C2100,2MX8BIT,SOJ,28P,300MIL

looks like it - DRAM, same number, and 2m x 8bit

so basically each chip contains 2meg of 8bits, which in this case is an easy 2megabytes. There's 4 chips on it and that gives 8mb - I know it's an 8mb too cos it has a sticker on it that says 8MB :)

Another simm laying about has the string "HM5117400AS6" on it. 60ns there, and searching for "5117400" shows those chips being 4mx4, which is 4meg of 4 bits - for just sizing the chips that's equivalent to the first example too - it holds the same number of bits as a 2meg of 8bits - also, 2 of the 4megof4 chips would hold 4megof8bits, if that makes more sense, thinking in 8 bits

so with 2 chips holding 4 full megabytes, and 16 chips on the whole simm, it's... a 32mb simm.

98% of the time it's that simple. some ICs though, just don't turn up anywhere, and all I do there is stick them in a box and test :)

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Re: SIMMs
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2003, 12:52:18 PM »
http://www.chipmunk.nl/DRAM/ChipManufacturers.htm

VERY good site, good reference.

This guy must be quite deranged. Well, we all are.

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