It's true! Apple go x86!!!! :-o

[Karlos]

amigean wrote:
one word:

AROS, AROS, AROS!

That's three words. MySQL hint of the day : "SELECT DISTINCT ..."

[Tripitaka]

If only Amiga OS5 ran on top of DE, being so easily ported (DE that is:-D ) we could use pratically any hardware. I seem to recall something along these lines in (the now defunct.)"Digital" magazine with someone from Tao Systems telling us how "Elate" (on which DE was based), could be ported in a couple of weeks by a single programmer. This was all before KMOS of course :-o , perhaps OS5 will still end up on X86 as well, who knows, I don't.. :-? ...BUT I STILL DON'T LIKE MAC'S  :pissed: (I do like some Mac software however :-P ).

Just to add a little twist to the story, we should have Elbox's Dragon 1200 COLDFIRE solution on sale by the end of the month, I wait, I drool.....but most of all...I PRAY :lol:

[joemango]

HotRod wrote:
@joemango

If I buy a PC everybody will know what it is. If I buy a Mac most people will know what it is but some might think that less of me because of that.

If I buy an A1 noone will know what it's except for a few. Do I care? No I don't. I use it because I like it. For those who like to be lead like sheeps doing what "everybody else" does, go ahead but don't talk down those who got the brains to make up their own mind.

Hey, I'm not trying to insult anyone, I'm pointing out the reality of the situation.  If you want to keep up your hobby and keep banging your head against your A1 while I can buy new software that does new things and enjoy tech support on it, go ahead.  It's your choice.  I didn't buy an A1 for a number of reasons:

-The OS is still Beta, no matter how cool it is.
-$400-$800 (US$) for an under-powered motherboard with glitches.
-Support (and useful software) is practically non-existent.
-No upgrade path.  I don't want another expensive monitor stand.

I run a WindozeXP PC and an OSX(panther)G4 on my desk at work, and they both do a nice job.  At home, I own a G3 Mac with OSX 10.3 and 3 AMD-based PC's, one an Athlon64 on which I run Windows x64. I would LOVE to put MacOSX on it eventually. Hell, I can upgrade that Athlon64 machine to a dual core without even changing my motherboard or RAM.  Yeah, it's an x86- but I don't have a car that runs on hydrogen, so why should I have a computer that is hard to get parts or supplies for?  

I have enough trouble finding time to do my audio work after hours.  I don't need the hassle of trying to get a non-standard hardware platform to do what I need just because it's cool or underground.  Amiga was great when it was something I could go to the store and buy.  Now it's a pursuit that requires dedication and extreme amounts of  passion, and I just don't have time to tinker.  Building my own PC systems is more than enough tinkering for me.

Amiga is a hobby.  Alan Redhouse said it himself.  Enjoy your hobby of fiddling with your computer and OS just to get it to work while I enjoy my hobby of recording and mastering high-quality multi-track audio without pulling my hair out or wondering whether my next upgrade is going to eat an entire paycheck.

[joemango]

Tripitaka wrote:
If only Amiga OS5 ran on top of DE, being so easily ported (DE that is:-D ) we could use pratically any hardware. I seem to recall something along these lines in (the now defunct.)"Digital" magazine with someone from Tao Systems telling us how "Elate" (on which DE was based), could be ported in a couple of weeks by a single programmer. This was all before KMOS of course :-o , perhaps OS5 will still end up on X86 as well, who knows, I don't.. :-? ...BUT I STILL DON'T LIKE MAC'S  :pissed: (I do like some Mac software however :-P ).

Just to add a little twist to the story, we should have Elbox's Dragon 1200 COLDFIRE solution on sale by the end of the month, I wait, I drool.....but most of all...I PRAY :lol:

Have you ever spent more than an hour on an OSX mac?  The shell is Unix BASH, which IMHO is more flexible than any PC or even the CLI.  It really is a very nice system, and reminds me of the Amiga a lot.  Give it a chance.

[T_Bone]

> perhaps OS5 will still end up on X86 as well,

I don't have the heart to update him on current events.
 :-(

I'll leave it at "perhaps..."

[bloodline]

T_Bone wrote:
> perhaps OS5 will still end up on X86 as well,

I don't have the heart to update him on current events.
 :-(

I'll leave it at "perhaps..."

Maybe by "OS5" he means AROS? :-D

[Glaucus]

Customers are screaming for faster hardware, Apple was in turn screaming to IBM, IBM was in turn masterbating or playing tetris or anything else that doesn't include answering the cries for speed. This change is a response to the customers screams.

The only flaw here is that Intel's Pentium 4 line has kinda hit a wall of it's own. Do you expect to see a 4Ghz P4 any time soon?

What I don't understand is why Apple didn't make a deal with AMD?

Has Apple revealed which Intel chip they plan on using in their next gen Mac? I have a feeling it's not gonna be from the Pentium line up. In which case, all this talk of Windows & Linux is meaningless.

  - Mike

[whabang]

Considering the rumors about M$ going PPC, that is not that far off, Glaccus! :-)

[strobe]

Glaucus wrote:

What I don't understand is why Apple didn't make a deal with AMD?

AMD only has one plant and thus fewer runs. Intel's prices for OEM is likely far better.

Has Apple revealed which Intel chip they plan on using in their next gen Mac? I have a feeling it's not gonna be from the Pentium line up. In which case, all this talk of Windows & Linux is meaningless.

  - Mike

The graphic Jobs used was the M-series.

[strobe]

strobe wrote:
The graphic Jobs used was the M-series.

Er, I meant Pentium-D

[srg86]

Have you ever spent more than an hour on an OSX mac? The shell is Unix BASH, which IMHO is more flexible than any PC or even the CLI. It really is a very nice system, and reminds me of the Amiga a lot. Give it a chance.

With Cygwin, I have bash on windows. Agreed, it's much better than the normal windows command line. But you don't need to switch OS to have it.

srg

[Jose]

Screw Apple, Amiga ppc is the way, Amiga PPC or die :-x

Cheers :-D
No I mean it  8-)

[gizz72]

Greetings,

I think we'll see OSXI on longhorn too. That's never far fetch.

Developers applauded Steve when he said that both processors would be supported for a long time to come, and the core to this will be universal binaries.

Interesting... The bright side in all this, PPC prices will drop, and most ppl will be able to afford cheaper PPC Macs too. Not sure about the Amiga here, but maybe if Amiga would adapt "unversal binaries", Maybe a native AmigaOS on Intel maybe possible or, Aros is stil a good idea of x86 amiga. Intel boards are cheaper for the average users.

Regards,

GiZz72

[glitch]

The best one I've heard yet:

"I felt something, a disturbance in the network, as if a million mac zealots cried out in horror and were suddenly silenced," wrote poster "m50d,"

-G

[Pyromania]

Apple is doing this because P is further down the alphabet then G. Also, 7 is higher than 5. Thus they are able to jump from a G5 all the way to a P7 (Pentium 786), P + 7 is further down the line thus a big boost in performance. Also they will not loose their PPC because of the following mathematical formula.

Dual core Pentium or two P's (PP) and still works with x86 Cisc (C)= PP + C=PPC

Got it everyone

[glitch]

That's almost as bad as the "Steve Jobs Reality Distortion Field".