Hey, CeBIT is just around the corner!

I agree, sit back have a drink.

I support you and meant what I said on the
"Hyperion Rocks!" thread.

Lets see -

You and Thomas updated the bios yourselves - something a professional company could not do.

You converted the Amiga kernal to PPC and created the HAL.

You both added virtual memory, multithreading, multiprocessing etc to the kernal.

and loads of other stuff - you guys cannot stop AMAZING ME

we are going to see the fastest AmigaOS in the world thanks to you and Thomas + OS development team !

This is the biggest upgrade to AmigaOS EVER.

You guys ROCK !!

Keep the dream, friends :-) :-)

[Ami603]

@Asymetrix:
Sure it is.
:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D

[Bodie]

*Bodie breaks into a dreadful cacophonic melody*

OS4, we can't do it any other way
Everybody's got to rock and roll, whoo, oh, oh

Shout it, shout it, shout it out loud
Shout it, shout it, shout it out loud

If you don't feel good, there's a way you could
Don't sit there broken hearted
Call all your geeky friends in the neighborhood
And get the party started

Don't tell them anymore
They're too way old to really understand
You'll still get rowdy with the girls and boys
'Cause it's time for you to take a stand, yeah, yeah

Shout it, shout it, shout it out loud
Shout it, shout it, shout it out loud

Shout it, shout it, shout it out loud
You've got to have a party
Shout it, shout it, shout it out loud
Turn it up louder
Shout it, shout it, shout it out loud
Everybody shout it now
Shout it, shout it, shout it out loud
Oh yeah
Shout it, shout it, shout it out loud
Hear it gettin' louder
Shout it, shout it, shout it out loud
And everybody shout it now
Shout it, shout it, shout it out loud

*Bodie ends dreadful singing*

And yes, before anyone asks, I am a name follower
 :-D.

[Turambar]

Ok i know i dont post a lot but i read a lot and now i got 2 things to say.

1. dont bite the hand that feeds(or at least is doing their best to feed you in the near future)

2. stop spelling rogue's name wrong i dont know if its annoying him but it would annoy me if people kep calling me a girly name like "rouge" (another name for blusher)

I spent more time fighting off harassment (and yes, maybe dealing it out) than productive work.

well thats not ideal.

[Dan]

Why is people attacking Hyperion???
I think Hyperion is the only ones that really belive in a new amiga. They are the ones that does all the hard work.
Eyetech is just selling some MAIboards with the hyperionrom on to my understanding.
Don´t you remmeber the Commodore policy:
Always deny that there will be an new amiga, so we can sell out the old ones first.
And you think it was better in the "good old days"!!
If you want someone to blame, go blame Amiga DE Inc!

[Siggy]

Every time anyone starts to feel a little frustrated, go read up on the original history of the Amiga.
The trials and tribulations that the original company faced - and that was with corporate backing to get started.

Rome wasn't built in a day.

I've waited since 1997, 6 years, I can wait a little longer.

Siggy.

All of you "experts" who are constantly throwing dirt at Hyperion - shut up and sit down!
I am observing the "Community" since some months,collecting info and playing with thought of getting myself an AmigaOne with OS4 to replace my 450Mhz G3 iMac and I cannot believe whats going on sometimes in Amiga-Forums.
Instead of being happy that there are still a handful of companies supporting a old platform like the Amiga, everybody is complaining!
I don´t get it!
Whats wrong with you people?
Some of you behave as if Hyperion had stolen your cars or raped your dogs and burned down your houses. ;-)
Calm down!
After all, this is no religion (NO,ITS NOT! :-D ) ,this is just about computers.
Hyperion will do a good job and I will be patiently waiting until they have completed their masterpiece and be grateful.

[odin]

Rogue wrote:

I thought it might be a good idea to answer peoples questions from time to time on public forums. At one point I regretted my decision to withdraw from public, but now I know exactly why I did so.

/me nods. People on the other side of the fence will always twist words/interpret words in the wrong way/try to paint someone black. I for one would not dislike it if you guys don't reply to stuff.

[Methuselas]

My personal stance is that I'm disappointed that the product is not completed, and ultimately I do blame Amiga, Inc. and not Hyperion.

@ Marktime

You're not the only one. :-x

AInc has been totally wrong for say the past year or so. They have done nothing but make empty promises and taken peoples money for 'coupons', but failed to deliver the merchandise *PROMISED* with it.

Here's the stickler. The *ONE* guy that, for the most part, has been the *ONLY* person to offer information is the one being 'condemned' here,so he doesn't want to say *ANYTHING* 'cos he's tired of being blamed for something beyond his control. I've talked to Rogue a few times in PM's and I've asked him 'man to man' about OS4. To his credit, he STILL won't say anything, even in a PRIVATE statement.

Hans-Jorg, Thomas,Ben and Alan, they *ARE* Amiga. It is *THEY* that keep the dream alive, not you people that consistantly complain, 'cos you don't hear anything. You think that it's Bill and the guy's at Amiga Inc that 'support' us?? You heard it from Rogue's mouth himself. He *HAS* to find outside work, 'cos *WE* do not pay his bills. What does that mean? AI forked over *NOTHING*, but the IP. You think Hans-Jorg, Thomas, Ben, Alan and the others are getting *PAID* by AI? Think again. They didn't get jack Sh!t, but an opportunity to make money off an operating system that was incredible, only they get to fix the problems with it ! The problem is, they can't make any money off it, until it ships, so they find *OUTSIDE* work to support themselves. Still, there are some of you out there that are *STILL* gonna bitch! :-(

Even *I* am getting impatient with you guys. There are things that I don't like, but all you do is constantly complain. Yeah, C-Bit is 8 days away, but haven't *ANY* of you figured out that AI does *NOT* know how to make an announcment?? :-o I don't pay attention to them, 'cos they've *PROVEN* that they're not trustworthy. Be happy with what you *DO* know and know that Hyperion *WILL* finish it. Why? 'Cos it opens a *NEW* market for them.

I remember reading a post a some time ago about QII and Hyperion said it *BARELY* ran on an '060!!!! Isn't that just enough for you to *WAIT* for something better? Sure the A1 isn't the BEST, but you're, I'm sorry to say, a F*CKING MORON if you don't think it's an *IMPROVEMENT* over ANY 'Classic' Box.

Things take time. You should *ALL* of us be grateful that there are people out there like Hans-Jorg, Thomas, Ben and all the others who still care about the platform. Since *NONE* of us are paying their bills, who are we to complain about a product that isn't out, when they're working on it, essentially in their free time, 'cos they won't make *ANY* profit off it until it's released? Sure, you could say that 'Well, if they'd hurry up and finish it, we could buy it'...blah blah...Get real, just like you, they live in the *REAL* world. They have bills, just like we do and if the electricty's not paid, they can't work. Be a bit more sympathetic. If anything, have some class.

As was said earlier, in 8 days, we will know it's been 8 more days. Nothing more. If and when Ce-Bit arrives, be hopeful. Give these guys some credit. They've OBVIOUSLY done more than ANYONE before them, so have some faith. If you should be digusted with ANYONE it should be Amiga Inc. Besides, Hyperion did *US* a favor. If AI goes bust, they STILL can release OS4, 'cos it's in the contract.

You won't find out anything more right now. Get over it.

M

[DaveP]

@Rogue

Don't worry those being deliberately lame are just
adding to their already tarnished "political" reputation.

[Treke]

People, whose bitching at AOS4 developers:

I would like to know who of you are developerson this level, working in tight circumstances on a low payed ( at least middle range ) project !?

re

Treke

[jtsiren]

I thought it might be a good idea to answer peoples questions from time to time on public forums. At one point I regretted my decision to withdraw from public, but now I know exactly why I did so.

Rogue, thank you for your comments.

However, I have to disagree with you on the reasons why your response was taken as it was. I believe this is the same reason why Hyperion has been confronted many times in the past as well, like after the Ben Yoris incident.

Your original reply in this thread completely ignored the valid, main argument (factual too) of the poster and you only shot down some mistaken details of his making him sound like a troll in the process. No matter how much I, and I'm sure many others, appreciate you nitpicking and giving us details we all like to read, I'm sure many of us, at least me, would appreciate opennes even more.

The poster to whom you replied to had a point. The point was factual, even if some of the details in his extended rhetoric were not. You were quite correct and within your rights to correct him, but I believe some of the frustration (as can be seen from comments above) stems from the fact that you ingored what was significant about the post, and criticized him for a few false details only.

It simply looked like you were trying to divert people from the valid main argument by shooting down some details. This is exactly what happened with the Ben Yoris incident a month or two back, and later his comments were essentially proven to be pretty much on the mark. Basically it seems to some of us that you are trying to make people who point out negative but factual things look like trolls or FUD mongers just because they get a detail or two wrong.

We're not stupid and we don't like to be treated that way.

It doesn't help, really, that you later say you understand our frustration (even though I appreciate that) when the initial response to this and other similar situations from Hyperion seems to be utter denial to the obvious. My suggested response for you originally would have been something along the lines of:

"Sure, you've got a point. We're sorry about the delay and are working as fast as we can. Sorry, but I can't comment on the project status because it is not within my authority to do so. You also got a few details wrong, let me correct them: ..."

I appreciate the difficulty of communicating in an environment like this, and I wish you well. Hopefully these remarks will give you some new insight (although I have made these comments to you on threads before).

[Rogue]

jtsiren wrote:
We're not stupid and we don't like to be treated that way.

In spite of myself, here's an answer to that: No.
For the repeated time, I did correct a few false pieces of information. That was it. Yes, I didn't answer to the original question. No, I didn't try to divert away from that question. I just didn't answer it. And I didn't treat anyone like he is stupid.

About that Ben Yoris incident, I specifically said (and I repeat it here) that his assessment of the situation was wrong. More so because he was talking about OS 4 in general, not only on the AmigaOne. It doesn't come as a surprise when I say that the AmigaOne version will come after the CyberStormPPC, because that is what we always said, but it *will* be *this* year. I never tried to divert people away from that.

I appreciate the difficulty of communicating in an environment like this, and I wish you well. Hopefully these remarks will give you some new insight (although I have made these comments to you on threads before).

For one thing, please acknowledge that there are some things (not specifically aimed at this topic) that I simply must not discuss. Others I do not discuss because I don't want to heat up the debate anymore than necessary (and believe me, I could tell stories).  So I try to answer those questions that I have an answer to, and correct those things that I think is wrong.

I try to explain the delays we had in such a way.  Sometimes, a statement is exactly what it seems it is.

[Warface]

Marky_D_Sahd wrote:
Two points:
1.) WOW!  One day, Hyperion rocks, the next day they're scum.  Middle ground, perhaps?  We all act   like we've got [...]

I'm not surprised. The same happened to Haage & Partner a year ago. Fanatics can raise you, and kill you in an instant. I say, I still respect Hyperion.

However, for Hyperion as amiga developers: This community comes as is, with no guarantees. It's exhausting and tiring, when those praising you one day yelling at you the other. Instead, stick to those who are less fanatic, and who are here with a bit of scepticism. They will not fail you. Will not praise you for announcements, feature lists, but will acknowledge the job you do for the platform. IMO

[Marky_D_Sahd]

Warface wrote:

Marky_D_Sahd wrote:
Two points:
1.) WOW!  One day, Hyperion rocks, the next day they're scum.  Middle ground, perhaps?  We all act   like we've got [...]

I'm not surprised. The same happened to Haage & Partner a year ago. Fanatics can raise you, and kill you in an instant. I say, I still respect Hyperion.

However, for Hyperion as amiga developers: This community comes as is, with no guarantees. It's exhausting and tiring, when those praising you one day yelling at you the other. Instead, stick to those who are less fanatic, and who are here with a bit of scepticism. They will not fail you. Will not praise you for announcements, feature lists, but will acknowledge the job you do for the platform. IMO

Praise?  Maybe not.  But I do respect Hyperion's attempt to remain communicative throughout this process far more than AmigaInc's "guess what we're doing this month" attitude (and yes, I do get the "Club Amiga" magazine, that which used to be called "Amiga World" in years past, and is still on their site, and do not find it to be all that informative, thogh some stuff in issue is at least thought worthyRogue is correct in one aspect:  They owe us nothing at this point.They certainly don't owe us weekly updates and ever-changing announcements about when the product will ship.

P.S. Rogue:  The IBrowse team suffered the same attacks just before the product shipped because of a 6 week delay for bug squashing.  The insanity an their mailing list was extraordinary.  Ignore it.  When OS4 is released, the FUD will all go away.