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Re: Hey, CeBIT is just around the corner!
« Reply #59 from previous page: March 04, 2003, 07:05:37 PM »
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Well if it is done, I stand corrected, but answer me this then why did the A1-XE G4s not ship on the 24 Feb 2003

I beleive the shipping date of the 24th was from the Taiwan factory, not to users.  The 28th was the date Eyetech could have received the board by.

Eyetech also said these were estimated  dates.

 

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Re: Hey, CeBIT is just around the corner!
« Reply #60 on: March 04, 2003, 07:29:05 PM »
Hi,

A couple of follow-up questions if you've got the time...

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Rogue wrote:

- U-Boot for the XE is finished


Good to hear, but will the Teron CX and PX have the same U-Boot installed? I'm asking because the U-Boot CVS only has a Teron CX ("AmigaOne G3SE", heh) dir and nothing Teron PX specific, and apart from an added environment variable, nothing has been changed there for 2-3 months. There are quite some FIXMEs and WIPs (work in progress) there.

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- The new Articia sillicon is finished, and I have it since quite some time.


Good for you, but is it in production, and more interestingly, is the Teron PX in production? (Yes, we know that there are  engineering samples out there.)

I understand that you're not making Teron boards, so if you just don't know, I guess we'll just have to wait until Terra Soft have them for sale. Then we should know that Eyetech are ready to dongle them for us who need "protection" against "price gouging" dealers and whatnot...

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- I was offended by the "buggy OS 4 modules".


Disregarding the "buggy" bit, could you give a hint on how much integration of these modules have been done? You know, into an OS? :) Have they all been ported to PPC yet? When can beta testing of AmigaOS 4.0 (no, not "beta testing" of separate modules) commence, if you dare to give a rough guesstimate, without any guarantees whatsoever of course?

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Accept it, or don't, but leave me in peace.


I fully appreciate your sentiments, but after all this *is* a public forum where you're willingly(? ;) ) participating...
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Re: Hey, CeBIT is just around the corner!
« Reply #61 on: March 04, 2003, 07:30:30 PM »
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- I was offended by the "buggy OS 4 modules".



If its still in beta it must still have a few bugs.
I see how that could offend... sorry :-D

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I can accept that people are frustrated. So am I. Like I said before the community doesn't pay my bills.


We are fed up, fed up to the point were we can hang on no longer. Missed deadlines, broken promises. Escom, Viscorp, Gateway, Amino.

2000
Nov 2001... 3 months
Dec 2002... with out fail for the doubters
Jan 2003... Motorola
Feb 2003... We waited for the new Artica
Mar 2003... Whats the excuse now
Apr 2003... Another
May 2003...
Jun 2003... etc etc etc

Its been crap all off it.

I typing this on an a1200 with its mediator, network card and voodoo 3 held in place with cable ties, in a hacked together pc tower.

The family needs a new computer. I keeps saying oh hang on. Hang on. Hang on. They want a new PC.
For Word Excel and the internet.

Dont give me this crap about we arnt the ones that pay your bills.

We are your future customers. With out us you will have no one to buy your products.

I want you to suceed so I can buy your games, SDK and office ports if you take them on but dont mess us about.

If they sell 2000 A1XEs thats £1 Million UKP + Vat Eyetech will take.

I would say at least a third off that has got to be profit, split between eyetech, amiga and hyperion.

Folks if you feel you are being pissed about vote with your wallet. 200 Cancelled orders will cost them £100000 UK

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Re: Hey, CeBIT is just around the corner!
« Reply #62 on: March 04, 2003, 07:48:50 PM »
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Folks if you feel you are being pissed about vote with your wallet. 200 Cancelled orders will cost them £100000 UK


No! If everyone does that then maybe Eyetech will cancel the AmigaOne project altogether - then where will we be??

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Re: Hey, CeBIT is just around the corner!
« Reply #63 on: March 04, 2003, 07:53:06 PM »
news.com

"Amiga OS 4.0 will be released this November (1998), a hybrid of the former Amiga OS. Amiga 5.0 is expected in early 1999"

 :-)

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Re: Hey, CeBIT is just around the corner!
« Reply #64 on: March 04, 2003, 08:19:02 PM »
Hyperion arn't the ones who have been making and breaking deadlines.  That's mainly A inc.  I've even seen some people try to blame the problems under gateway on Hyperion :-)

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f they sell 2000 A1XEs thats £1 Million UKP + Vat Eyetech will take.


Good.  Amiga needs to slowly crawl back up to where it used to be.  One of the reasons that development took so long was lack of funds.  When Amiga, Hyperion and people start getting returns from that, it should start to speed up the R&D cycle (eg Hyperion could use money from OS4 to pay developers, instead of doing other stuff).

As a few more people trickle back into the community, there will be more money to use - things will really start to speed up.  To be honest, I'm not at all surprised at the time things are taking.  The userbase had shrunk to a point that Gateway decided to give up on the "classic" platform.  A inc and others had the foresight to see that it could be done, but don't forget how agonisingly close the platform got to dying.

A year ago, many people were doubting that the A1's would come out.  Eyetech released the G3SE's and the XE's are already in the hands of developers.

The same story is happening with the OS.  There are copies being betatested right now.

Hopefully, the waiting has almost come to an end...

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Re: Hey, CeBIT is just around the corner!
« Reply #65 on: March 04, 2003, 09:45:49 PM »
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MarkTime wrote:
@Rogue
response:  fair enough, but may I suggest that being helpful is a good quality.


I always try to be helpful, but to what avail?

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No, I don't call that harassment.  What I call harassment, is where someone's position is worn down via repetition, rather than through intellectual discourse.


Everyone seem to have a hard time understanding when I say something.

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By that definition you are not just the harasser, but also being harassed.  Which is true enough.  I suppose by the same line of thinking, in which you are not here to help, many people are not here to help you or accept your answers.


I don't care if someone accepts my answer or not. I have given the answers I wanted to give, and that is it. People seem to think I owe them something. I don't.

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But, I suggest harassment on both sides is not especially helpful and therefore not recommended, but nevertheless it seems to be the only choice left, when one side has stated repeatedly that they will not engage in any other type of discussion.


I am always open for discussion, but for discussion only. Not for the usual "you are liars" and the usual "you are to blame" and the usual "you lack the talent".

I am not ready to listen to another round of "you have broken your promises" either. I'Ve elaborated on that earlier, and, as I said, I am tired to repeat myself.

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.I personally don't expect you to announce your failure to complete the project on a week by week basis.  Such an exercise in humiliation would not really serve any purpose.  I do think people should buy into other choices, considering the failure...not excuse it, but not go around expecting unreasonable solutions.


If you want it, here it is: Yes, we failed to deliver until now. Very specifically, I said "until now". We have utterly failed if and only if the project is canned. It isn't, and there is no intention to do so.

Like I saiid a number of times, there are limits as to what a man can do. We are doing our best, under the worst possible circumstances, to finish the project. We only ever issue deadlines because we are continously harassed by people to give them. Each and every time unforseeable things happened, and things got delayed.

No, we have not failed yet.

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I seem to be in the minority on this, but Amiga, Inc. owns the IP, they have the responsibility to complete this....if they are doing it through a contractor, or through osmosis, I don't care....they coulda/woulda/shoulda didn't.


It is always easy to say "they must" or "they have to". From a user's point of view it might be hard to understand this, but just look at this day. I spent more time fighting off harassment (and yes, maybe dealing it out) than productive work.

If you think this is easy, you're mistaken. If you think it isn't, why is it so hard to understand?
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Re: Hey, CeBIT is just around the corner!
« Reply #66 on: March 04, 2003, 09:58:16 PM »
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JurassicCamper wrote:
Why dont you answer the question then. Saying my point about the firmware not being done is wrong.


I don't have any idea what question you mean?

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Well if it is done, I stand corrected, but answer me this then why did the A1-XE G4s not ship on the 24 Feb 2003


How am I supposed to know? Did you write Eyetech about that?

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I have respect for you are doing. But lets just get one thing straight.

Alan posted on the DEV list on the 25 Feb 2003 @ 18:18 Hours that......
Hyperion would be sending the final firmware by friday. (28 Feb 2003).

So at that time the firmware was not finished. There has been nothing to contradict this statement appart from you saying that it has been finished for weeks.


Where did I say it was finished for weeks? I said the new Articia sillicon was finished since some weeks. If you want to know, I sent out the firmware on tuesday.

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It may not be the final version, but if you are saying its been finished for weeks and alan said he expected delivery 2 working days ago then someone is telling porkies and it aint me.

Care to explain ????


I just did. You said:

"New Articia S revision... Never Materialized".

I said: I have it since weeks.

You said: "U-boot not finished".

I said "wrong", and harrassed you by adding "Stop making things up repeatedly". MarkTime is right, I do apologize for that (not for the rest, though).

You said "Correct me if I'm wrong".

I said "I just did".

You said "OS4 modules are buggy".
Care to explain why that was necessary?
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Re: Hey, CeBIT is just around the corner!
« Reply #67 on: March 04, 2003, 10:04:08 PM »
Two points:
1.) WOW!  One day, Hyperion rocks, the next day they're scum.  Middle ground, perhaps?  We all act   like we've got monthly women's problems or something!2.) The fact that the original question is pointedly NOT being answered means that there is a BIG answer coming.  It can only be one of two:

It's taking us longer than anticipated, or
Look at what we're showing at CeBIT!  What a launch surprize!
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Re: Hey, CeBIT is just around the corner!
« Reply #68 on: March 04, 2003, 10:10:29 PM »
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Seehund wrote:
Good to hear, but will the Teron CX and PX have the same U-Boot installed? I'm asking because the U-Boot CVS only has a Teron CX ("AmigaOne G3SE", heh) dir and nothing Teron PX specific, and apart from an added environment variable, nothing has been changed there for 2-3 months. There are quite some FIXMEs and WIPs (work in progress) there.


Yes, the bios is identical for both boards. I don't have the time to send the tarball to Wolfgang Denk too often, because things get modiffied on an almost daily basis. Also, in places I did some rather heavy modifications, and since I don't want to break the other builds I am a bit weary of submitting this stuff. That doesn't mean that I am not ready to, I just don't have the time to. If someone asks me for the source, he'll get it.


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Good for you, but is it in production, and more interestingly, is the Teron PX in production? (Yes, we know that there are  engineering samples out there.)

I understand that you're not making Teron boards, so if you just don't know, I guess we'll just have to wait until Terra Soft have them for sale. Then we should know that Eyetech are ready to dongle them for us who need "protection" against "price gouging" dealers and whatnot...


I would have answered that, but since you could not refrain yourself from adding that spicy bit of extra, I am going to refrain myself from an answer. If you expect one, leave this out in your question.
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Re: Hey, CeBIT is just around the corner!
« Reply #69 on: March 04, 2003, 10:20:40 PM »
hey, Rogue !

The community is very fustrated at the moment and attacking you, Hyperion etc is simply not on.

There are people here that do support your efforts and appreciate what you are doing in giving us OS 4 under poor of circumstances.

I know OS4 is almost done and its hard for people to understand how much it takes to ensure a quality product.

Hyperion simply does not give release dates anymore, is that hard to understand people ?

I have my eye on May ! This is simply my personal guess.

Rogue, your efforts are appreciated. thanks.

 

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Re: Hey, CeBIT is just around the corner!
« Reply #70 on: March 04, 2003, 10:26:24 PM »
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Where did I say it was finished for weeks? I said the new Articia sillicon was finished since some weeks. If you want to know, I sent out the firmware on tuesday.



I appologise I miss read your posting. I thought you was refering to u-boot. My sincere appologies.
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Re: Hey, CeBIT is just around the corner!
« Reply #71 on: March 04, 2003, 10:29:21 PM »
OK, I just wrote up a reply to that and deleted it again.

I made a big mistake.

I tried to defend myself against false claims made by you, and got dragged into a "peck-the-idiot" game where I am the idiot. That's it. Continue this thread if you like, blame us for whatever you feel like if it makes you feel better.

Like I said, I can understand your frustration, and I accept this up to a certain point. This point has now been reached.

Believe it or not, you are *not* paying my bills right now, and until you do I have to see who does, and this is exactly what I am going to do now.

And I made another mistake.

I thought it might be a good idea to answer peoples questions from time to time on public forums. At one point I regretted my decision to withdraw from public, but now I know exactly why I did so.
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Re: Hey, CeBIT is just around the corner!
« Reply #72 on: March 04, 2003, 10:29:31 PM »
@ Rogue
 
Tip:
Just load up the "Hyperion Rocks!" thread now and then to refill your "harassment-resistance". :-)
 
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Re: Hey, CeBIT is just around the corner!
« Reply #73 on: March 04, 2003, 10:34:01 PM »
@rouge

I appreciate all your efforts, even if i don't always say so in these sorts of threads. I keep quite most of the time, but I am sure that there are many people like me who support you but don't post through the fear of getting thier head ripped off.

As SlimJim said, hang in there

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Re: Hey, CeBIT is just around the corner!
« Reply #74 on: March 04, 2003, 10:46:46 PM »
I agree, sit back have a drink.

I support you and meant what I said on the
"Hyperion Rocks!" thread.

Lets see -

You and Thomas updated the bios yourselves - something a professional company could not do.

You converted the Amiga kernal to PPC and created the HAL.

You both added virtual memory, multithreading, multiprocessing etc to the kernal.

and loads of other stuff - you guys cannot stop AMAZING ME

we are going to see the fastest AmigaOS in the world thanks to you and Thomas + OS development team !

This is the biggest upgrade to AmigaOS EVER.

You guys ROCK !!

Keep the dream, friends :-) :-)