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Re: KMOS and Amiga Inc Debt Settlement
« Reply #29 on: April 02, 2005, 09:39:46 PM »
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Being the savvy business man he is, he should be well aware that such insider jokes like this (the LA thing you described), doesn't work well outside of the small circle.
the stupidity of some people here has nothing to do with the real world. trust me!
I doubt anyone could predict what happened.

savvy doesn't mean he can guess what everyone's psychotic reaction is going to be to every little thing he does.

that's just nuts. and i know nuts! :lol:
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Re: KMOS and Amiga Inc Debt Settlement
« Reply #30 on: April 02, 2005, 10:00:49 PM »
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I see no reason to trust BBRV, but I also see non to believe Mr Hare either.
i may have more reasons to distrust BBRV, but i never said I "trust" Garry Hare. I just have no emotion about it. He's not selling me anything. So I don't need "trust".
He's not offering me a job, so I don't need to concern myself with his trustworthyness. Although, His behavior in public shows respect and a healthy sense of humor and if he's like that in a business setting, he's probably great to work with. But that's just my guess. It doesn't affect me personally, so i really don't care.

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the t-shirts that were delivered months after he claimed them to be produced
I listened to the audio files from his speeches at amigawest and what I heard was this: he was asked about t-shirts. His reaction indicated that this was a new topic to him. He tried to be witty and say they were 'at the printers'. the next sentences indicate that he's thinking on his feet and quickly says he'll work on getting that problem fixed.
I listened carefully and several times to get a sense of what he was saying and what he meant. i don't think I'm wrong here.

I remember that sometime last summer there was a news item here that informed people that they should go to the official site and update their address and other club info. Now, I've never joined that club, never paid to get a t-shirt, i'm not involved with any of that stuff, but even I realized that this news item meant that someone was collecting info to maybe mail SOMETHING out. like maybe a t-shirt. several months pass. presumeably to collect and double check the info and figure out how many shirts have to be printed. at the beginning of this year, people start getting a package.

I see that and it looks to me that Hare made a promise and kept it! good on him!

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obviously faked AInc-address
i can't say it's obvious. the facts are not in yet. as i mentioned over at amigaworld, since i am in New York I will happily go into manhatten when i get the chance and take a look.
Making assumtions before facts are in just creates a mess. at least let me get over there first!

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his rather cluless interviews
so he's not an amiga user. why does that make him "clueless". as i said before, maybe him being an outsider might be good. it may mean he's objective and interested in running a successful business.

your "Scenarios" for the card are more conspiracy theories. without more info on everything that actually happened i am just uninterested in imagining any possible story. it's just boring.
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Re: KMOS and Amiga Inc Debt Settlement
« Reply #31 on: April 02, 2005, 10:11:19 PM »
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Why the hell didn't anyone come clean about the card back then? It was claimed that it was fake (photoshopped or whatever), when it clearly was not. Some people were trashed over this badly, while they were 100% correct about it all along. The card was real, it did exist, and it was given out by Garry.


One of the points made in the interview is not entirely accurate.  It's thus quite clear to me the whats said in the interview was a cover story, not false as such, but not entirely true either.

He either was, or was about to become the CEO of Amiga inc. at the time.  There was evidently a change of plans at some point and he became CEO through a longer, more convoluted route.

IIRC the statute of limitations is 3 years, if so that'll hit sometime this year and then we'll find out what the corporate manoeuvrings were really all about.
 

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Re: KMOS and Amiga Inc Debt Settlement
« Reply #32 on: April 02, 2005, 10:20:54 PM »
@cecilia
I was refering to this:

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I don't think that "business card fiasco" did anything to dirty the good reputation of Garry Hare. He's not the one that lied about it. He made a card to give to friend's and acquantences.


Where it seems that you believe that GH was completly honest and upfront on the issue. My scenario 2 is just finishing that line of thought.
Scenario 1 is just an alternative that does with fit with all "hard facts" we know about AND makes much more sense than No. 2.

Bout the address:
AInc did put up a address and now they can't be reached by it, even worse the company actually at that address claims to to have never heard of them and that they have allready received several letters this way.

Now that is what I call obvious, and any other explanation would be no less than bizzare. But I must admit that "bizzare" is just righ on spot far to often in anything Amiga.
1. Make an announcment.
2. Wait a while.
3. Check if it can actually be done.
4. Wait for someone else to do it.
5. Start working on it while giving out hillarious progress-reports.
6. Deny that you have ever announced it
7. Blame someone else
 

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Re: KMOS and Amiga Inc Debt Settlement
« Reply #33 on: April 02, 2005, 10:24:36 PM »
by cecilia on 2005/4/2 14:20:06

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I'm not kidding when I say that people regularly invent business cards when they want to try out a new company. people regularly have a different set of cards depending on who they are meeting with and who they intend to MAYBE do business with in the future.

Even I had more than one type of business card. (Altho, i never went too crasy with it. sometimes it was only because a friend said, "hey, let me make you a nice card").

I am sure Garry was just trying out this card on his friends just for the hell of it.


I could possibly see it with a new company that has not been formally created to see what bites on it.  The rest of  your possiblities are too weak to even consider anything but sheer deception or fraud.  But none of your theories on this covers an existing company that he is working for and not as CEO.  That's deception, pure and simple.  And where did these cards come to be, at a electronics show or between acouple of drinking budies at their favorite hole-in-the-wall for yucks?  It's also possible it was a pod Garry who gave out those business cards, but it's sure as hell not probable.

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Re: KMOS and Amiga Inc Debt Settlement
« Reply #34 on: April 02, 2005, 10:41:08 PM »
Come on people, give the card a rest..

All the people involved didn't tell us the whole story
All the people involved aren't going to tell us
All the people involved don't even care (anymore) about it..

Why should we ?

Point is nobody here knows all the details, what Hare was thinking back then, what BBRV was thinking and why nobody told us what really happened. Hare told his version, BBRV theirs.

As for the address, does anybody know it's really Bolton that is posting it ? Did he really sent that letter ? If he is, and if he did, then it's bad business as usual, if not, just another troll.. I'll wait on what Cecilia finds..
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Re: KMOS and Amiga Inc Debt Settlement
« Reply #35 on: April 02, 2005, 11:19:34 PM »
Is it just me, or is the fact that Mike Bouma *knows* the real address of Amiga Inc a bit weird?  Why doesn't he just give the address to Bolton Peck, so Bolton can try to get his money?

Maybe he has.
 

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Re: KMOS and Amiga Inc Debt Settlement
« Reply #36 on: April 02, 2005, 11:41:30 PM »
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All the people involved didn't tell us the whole story
All the people involved aren't going to tell us
All the people involved don't even care (anymore) about it..

Why should we ?

Because Microsoft is full of lying swindlers.  Long live the good business practices and technical honesty of Amiga Inc.  :-)
 

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Re: KMOS and Amiga Inc Debt Settlement
« Reply #37 on: April 02, 2005, 11:51:41 PM »
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Waccoon wrote:
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All the people involved didn't tell us the whole story
All the people involved aren't going to tell us
All the people involved don't even care (anymore) about it..

Why should we ?

Because Microsoft is full of lying swindlers.  Long live the good business practices and technical honesty of Amiga Inc.  :-)


Who said Americans didn't do sarcasm? ;-)


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Re: KMOS and Amiga Inc Debt Settlement
« Reply #38 on: April 02, 2005, 11:55:31 PM »
Because Microsoft is full of lying swindlers.

Yeah.... and look where that got them..

At least their users got a fully supported OS and no blue and red trolls bickering over things that really don't matter... I doubt any Windows users is giving any thought about the lies spread by MS management tho..
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Re: KMOS and Amiga Inc Debt Settlement
« Reply #39 on: April 03, 2005, 12:14:46 AM »
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I doubt any Windows users is giving any thought about the lies spread by MS management tho..


Plenty of EX-users are though.  Me for one.

Think about it.  MS can afford to lose thousands of customers, Amiga can't afford to lose ten.
 

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Re: KMOS and Amiga Inc Debt Settlement
« Reply #40 on: April 03, 2005, 03:41:28 AM »
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I doubt any Windows users is giving any thought about the lies spread by MS management tho..


They aren't lies, they're features!

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Re: KMOS and Amiga Inc Debt Settlement
« Reply #41 on: April 03, 2005, 03:53:32 AM »
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MS can afford to lose thousands of customers, Amiga can't afford to lose ten.


I know! That's why I'm cloning as fast as I can.

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

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Re: KMOS and Amiga Inc Debt Settlement
« Reply #42 on: April 03, 2005, 04:11:43 AM »
@asian1

Now I know something is fishy about your story.

Fact one of the Amigaones Ordered and paid for by KMOS was ordered for and delivered to the New York office this year.

That puts paid to what I siad earlier about you.

What new fairy tale do you and kronos have now.

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Re: KMOS and Amiga Inc Debt Settlement
« Reply #43 on: April 03, 2005, 05:56:58 AM »
  I think Asian1 raises legit questions.  In 2002 my girlfriend ordered AmigaOS 3.9 for me (Xmas gift) from the Amiga.com AmigaMall. I never showed up. Emails to them about the matter went unanswered.  As long as Fleecy and Bill are involved with "the Amiga" I'm uneasy.

  LA ethics or not, the business card incident looked bad.  I think Hare's explanation was plausible, but it still didn't look good. It could be interpreted as a lack of judgement thing.

I think it's cool that Cecelia will check that address for us.  BTW we really don't have any proof that anybody at the address said several bits of Amiga mail had gone there.  It's an unattributed non-quote.

Anyway I'd like to know more about that article I read that said a German court ruled that Gateway never actually got ownership of the Amiga's OS.  And so that would affect everybody on down the line.



 

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Re: KMOS and Amiga Inc Debt Settlement
« Reply #44 from previous page: April 03, 2005, 06:14:01 AM »
>Fairy tale

Hi
I have NO fairytales.
The Ann.Lu post is from Mr Bolton Peck.

I do not know if the post is a fairytales from Mr Peck or not.

There is a possibility that the fake address is just an April Fools joke from Mr Bolton Peck, but he post it on April 2, 2005.

Where is the proof that Eyetech had sold AmigaOne to KMOS office in NY?
What is the exact address?

Is it possible that KMOS had closed its office in NY, or they use other name or address?

Is it possible that Amiga Inc will occupy the new NY office starting April 4, 2005?