KMOS and Amiga Inc Debt Settlement

[dammy]

As i have asked before, why is this so important for you? Is it YOU that is awaiting to get paid?

It clearly shows the integrity of Amiga Inc and that is important for everyone who even thinks about buying a product from them.  This has been going on for too many years and shafting their former employees like this is a clear signal not to trust Amiga Inc.  Rather pathetic actions of Amiga Inc, don't you think?  Shouldn't all public preasure should be brought to bear on Amiga Inc to make a amends?  Why are you trying to discourage this from happening and thereby protecting the wrong doer?

Dammy

[JoannaK]

Way I see it... AmigaInc has shown repeately that they are not trustworthy company. I'm one of the original "3000 developers" for AmigaDE/Anywhere and I have no intention to do anything Amigainc/de related until they have got their act straight.

They need developers, cause they need products to sell. But they won't get developrs until people are able to trust them.

[asian1]

Is this April Fools or a mistake on Amiga Inc. website or something else?

From Ann.lu (Mr Bolton Peck):

"This registered letter came back undeliverable-it seems the actual residents of that address are an architecture firm called Cross Architecture. A representative from that firm said they had received several pieces of mail for Amiga, Inc. but there is no Amiga office anywhere in that building."

asian1 wrote:
Is this April Fools or a mistake on Amiga Inc. website or something else?

From Ann.lu (Mr Bolton Peck):

"This registered letter came back undeliverable-it seems the actual residents of that address are an architecture firm called Cross Architecture. A representative from that firm said they had received several pieces of mail for Amiga, Inc. but there is no Amiga office anywhere in that building."

Jesus Christ! If this is true, the sooner Hyperion can break away from these con merchants and take *THEIR* OS with them, the better.  Even if they have to change the name of it to HyperionOS or something.

[asian1]

Mr Mike Bouma at Amigaworld.net mention that the REAL address of Amiga Inc is in San Fransisco, CA.
If this is true, why Amiga Inc mention a fake UNUSABLE address in their website?
What kind of company use fake address on their website?
Why don't they provide e-mail address only?

I am also worried about Dr Garry Hare reputation, first the fake business card fiasco, now the fake address.

What happen if Mr Garry Hare send fake data on annual financial report to Investors and fake data on tax return to IRS?

Well, the though is irrelivant now KMOS megerd Amiga, Inc. into itself and was renamed Amiga, Inc. Since Amiga, Inc. was never disolved, nothing has changed. The judgements still stand. What's being done about them, haven't a clue.

Aha!  But here's the real question...  Do we know that Amiga Inc was not (at least legally) dissolved before it's assets were presumed by KMOS?

Wayne

[cecilia]

I am also worried about Dr Garry Hare reputation, first the fake business card fiasco, now the fake address.

wow! you sure seemed VERY worried for "Dr Garry Hare".

that's really kind of you.

I don't think that "business card fiasco" did anything to dirty the good reputation of Garry Hare. He's not the one that lied about it. He made a card to give to friend's and acquantences. this was taken by someone else and PUBLICLY exploited for their own reasons. Those people are the ones who should be ashamed of themselves.

I have no idea what's going on with this "fake" address. I assume you mean the address that is in NY. Get more info before you start creating all sorts of possibilities. And, yes, it would be good to find out exactly what that NY address is for. even if it's juat a UPS or mail drop off.

I have yet to see Garry Hare make a promise he didn't keep or say something unprofessional. He's always acted respectfully. So, i think his reputation is intact. And please note, that this statement has ABSOLUTLY nothing to do with "amiga, Inc" now or in it's former incarnation. this is NOT a blanket approval of the former ot present "amiga, inc". i don't care about amiga inc. I'm ONLY speaking about Garry Hare.

Yes, I would like to see everyone who is owed money get what they need. however, i can guarantee that the people given rubber checks by CERTAIN PERSONS (who shall not be named here) will never see dime one.

[dammy]

by cecilia on 2005/4/2 12:20:30

He made a card to give to friend's and acquantences.

Why would he make up fake business cards to show to friends and family?  Does he have that low self esteem he has to lie to his own family and his friends?  Instead of bashing on the message barer, you need to question why Hare would do something like this in the first place.  Shoot the messenger doesn't work anymore, buttheads like me will start asking questions about the facts in the message.

Dammy

[cecilia]

Why would he make up fake business cards to show to friends and family

I realize this may seem like an odd thing to do.

see, i spent some years out in Los Angeles - and some time working in what is generally refered to as "The Business" (or Hollywood as you folks might call it)

You may recall Hare work at Disney for a bit.

anyway, you'll have to trust me on this, Business Cards over in that "culture" are considered as common and ubiquitous as, well, cellphones, fax machines, etc.

I'm not kidding when I say that people regularly invent business cards when they want to try out a new company. people regularly have a different set of cards depending on who they are meeting with and who they intend to MAYBE do business with in the future.

Even I had more than one type of business card. (Altho, i never went too crasy with it. sometimes it was only because a friend said, "hey, let me make you a nice card").

I am sure Garry was just trying out this card on his friends just for the hell of it.

No one in LA is fooled by any of this. Business cards are like toilet paper. you get it, you use it, you put it away. You don't waste time thinking about it. it's just a convenient place to store someone's phone number. (or email)

it's YOU fellas that made a huge deal out of something that meant ABSOLUTLY nothing.

I was busy working when this whole business card thing went down. and I found out about it (i'm guessing about a year later) when I read garry's first interview. I couldn't understand what the big fuss was about!
I swear, it looks retarded.

I think you kids need to get out more and learn about the world before you start judging people on things you don't understand.

and i'm not suggesting this thing they have in LA is rational or makes alot of sense - i've ranted about LA for years. I think they are nuts out there. But at least I understand WHY they are nuts! (and i'm not suggesting that garry is Nuts. but i am sure he is savy enough to know how to deal with the nutters out there. it does take some skill. and for that, he deserves a bit of respect!)

[Piru]

@cecilia

That sounds very reasonable, in a way.

BUT

Why the hell didn't anyone come clean about the card back then? It was claimed that it was fake (photoshopped or whatever), when it clearly was not. Some people were trashed over this badly, while they were 100% correct about it all along. The card was real, it did exist, and it was given out by Garry.

Also, some unnamed official fanzine even had a competition to create fake business card.

Anyway, cecilia, are you speaking for Garry here, or just for yourself?

[cecilia]

Anyway, cecilia, are you speaking for Garry here, or just for yourself?

i'm talking about the way things work in LA. If Garry had come from Saturn, i wouldn't have any idea about the card as I don't know how things work on Saturn.

Also, if you read garry's own words you should be able to discern that the man is savy. and knows about business. I'm simply figuring he's resonable. he knows how business cards are used in LA and uses them that way, period.

as for the "...claimed that it was fake (photoshopped or whatever)..." and the ensuing nonsense, the fact is that Garry has often said he doesn't go online and look at all these sites and I'm sure he was all unaware of the crasyness - which was created by others, not him. that's just very obvious and needs no crystal ball. In other words: he just didn't know what nonsense you (the general "you", not you personally) were up to!

Also, some unnamed official fanzine even had a competition to create fake business card.

SEE? case in point: this is the FIRST i've heard of this!
why? because while all this crap was going on i was working on something important and not paying any attention to this sillyness.

in other words: let's say you suddenly ask me why I didn't DO anything about this competition, and how DARE i just let this go on, etc, etc....
well, because I never knew about! I didn't create it, I knew nothing about it!

See how this scenario can easily seem like a big "f'img" deal when in fact it's totally meaningless in the vastness of the universe!
So how can people hold Garry Hare accountable for the behavior of others? What is he, Omniponent? Come on, he's just a regular guy!

Obviously Mr Hare is living his life and isn't interested in the delusions created by others. why should he be?

and neither am I. the only reason I am here often is because I like some of the people that post here and I enjoy talking to them. (plus, i've had an amiga since 1989, so i have a vested interest, unlike Mr Hare, who has just found out about amigas)

I'm NOT interested in making up stuff. I'm not interested in fights and taking sides and all that crap. boring! I'm just here to have a good time.

[seer]

Cecilia, the voice of reason.


Now, can we leave finally let this go ?

[Piru]

Obviously Mr Hare is living his life and isn't interested in the delusions created by others. why should he be?

Because he handed out these cards?

Being the savvy business man he is, he should be well aware that such insider jokes like this (the LA thing you described), doesn't work well outside of the small circle.

Considering the mess, confusiong and fighting it created, I guess he knows better now.

[cecilia]

seer wrote:
Cecilia, the voice of reason.


Now, can we leave finally let this go ?

:roflmao:

well, i do try!
anyway, hopefully this will help set the record straight or maybe help people see things from Hare's side. which is: a businessman who's basically an outsider and was never involved with any of the nonsense of the past several years.

I'm hoping that as an outsider, Hare will be a stablizing influence on the whole situation so that developers can just get on with their projects. and we can all benefit!

[Kronos]

Wayne wrote:

Aha!  But here's the real question...  Do we know that Amiga Inc was not (at least legally) dissolved before it's assets were presumed by KMOS?

Wayne

Dunno bout the US, but here (and probraly any other country that wants to have a working economy) this would require some court-paper-work, also known as bancrups or insolvence to make sure no creditors get shafted.

This normally done by auctioning/selling those parts of the company off that are still worth some, just as it happened with C= and later Escom.

@cecilia
I see no reason to trust BBRV, but I also see non to believe Mr Hare either.

The obscure way the IP got transfered, his rather cluless interviews, the t-shirts that were delivered months after he claimed them to be produced and no the obviously faked AInc-address all paint a picture that he is just another member of the "bunch", an honory "Bill" so to speak  :-P

Now to that card:
Scenario 1:
GH is choosen as new AInc-CEO by Netventures, he hands out the cards in expectation of what he thinks just as formal details. BBRV somehow finds out about the new CEO and gets his hands on a card. GH/Netventures for some reason decide that the Itec/KMOS-detour needs to be taken.

Scenario 2:
GH hands out these cards just as teaser, BBRV gets trapped and the rest of the red-bunch (fleecy,McBill,HMetal) stay on the sideline putting more fuel into fire instead of clearing things up.

Now somehow scenario 1 sounds more reasonable (which offcourse doesn't mean it's true).

[cecilia]

Being the savvy business man he is, he should be well aware that such insider jokes like this (the LA thing you described), doesn't work well outside of the small circle.

the stupidity of some people here has nothing to do with the real world. trust me!
I doubt anyone could predict what happened.

savvy doesn't mean he can guess what everyone's psychotic reaction is going to be to every little thing he does.

that's just nuts. and i know nuts! :lol: