How to get files to an amiga

[Noster]

Hi,

> I seem to get what appears to be 57600 using NComm
> no funky errors

with the standard serial.device ? Or are you using something like baudbandit.device with NComm ?

Noster

[sundown]

@chertel

You could just email yourself an attachment from the PC &
then get the mail on the Amiga. This will work even if you
have only one email address.

[badalias]

I have a similar situation:

    I have an Amiga 1000 with dual 880K floppy drives (one external, one internal) and the following disks:

Kickstart 1.3
Workbench 1.3
Extras 1.3
2091 Install
2058 RAM Test

Workbench 2.05
Extras 2.05
Fonts 2.05
Install 2.05

    I'm trying to get some games (Legally, of course) and have some ADF files on my PC How  might I get them onto real Amiga disks without spending much money? (<$5) I am able to do small electronics projects/cables, and have good grasp of IBM DOS.

    While I'm at it, I'm looking for a Kickstart 2.05 disk, anybody know where/how I might find one? I have two each of the last 4 disks listed and 4 of the RAM Test disks (All Original ***See EDIT below***), so I might be persuaded to trade my spare copy for the Kickstart 2.05 disk, or any newer Kickstart, Workbench or third party utility disks that are available.


I don't know if any of the disks I have are un-modified, but they have factory supplied Amiga labels on them.

The Extras 1.3 disks below are, unfortunately, modified.
See Basic on Extras 1.3 disk - Where? and Re: Serial/Parallel Cable File Transfers for more details


I also have two Extras 1.3 disks which means that I could also be convinced to trade one of them off for something I'm looking for too...

[SamuraiCrow]

@badalias

I think the only way to get Kickstart 2.04 on the A1000 was to buy a special ROM switcher that would let you use A500 Kickstart ROMs.

[badalias]

SamuraiCrow:

As I understand it, (and I could be quite wrong here as I'm new to using Amigas) the A1000 ROM resides on the "Kickstart" disk.

I found a file (Forget what it was named) on aminet that requires ROM images that I don't have and makes a special Kickstart disk. (For dual booting, I think...) Anybody got copies of "KICK13.ROM" and "KICK31.ROM" and ADF files of the Workbench/Extras/Fonts/Etc for 3.1?

P.S.: I also have two Extras 1.3 disks which means that I could also be convinced to trade one of them off for something I'm lookinng for too...

[badalias]

DETAILS!

I need details RE: Sending files via cable from my PC to my A1000. Specifically, the pinout of said cables, and second any/all details about the DOS commands neccessary to do this on both sides of the transfer.

***REMEMBER***
My A1000 has only Workbench 1.3 at the moment...

Also:
Please read my first post about what I'm looking for, and what I will barter with...

[badalias]

Noster:
Due to the questionable feedback, and  my lack of organization, I posted my other post RE: Serial/Parallel Cable File Transfers Waaayyyy down from here.

With an old Amiga with Kickstart 1.3 you cannot use such nice tools as PC2Amiga with a LapLink cable, but you can use a serial connection to transfer files between these computers.

So I've heard, Do you have more details, Perhaps a nice step-by-step for newbies???

If you want to write ADF-files to Amiga disks, you can use TransWarp or TransDisk on the Amiga and ADFSender at the (Windows-)PC.

What are these? Where do you get them? (How do I get the Amiga stuff onto Amiga Disks?)

If you own an old PC (486), you can use TWINExpress for a 115200 baud connection between a standard Amiga and a PC. This tool is also usefull between two Amigas, I have reached upto 190000 baud between two unenhanced A1000's !!

http://ftp.uni-paderborn.de/aminet/aminet/comm/term/twin_11a.lha

To get the initial file (the transfertool) to your Amiga, you could start a simple terminal program on your PC and copy the file to the serial port connected to your Amiga and open a shell on the Amiga and type something like:

copy SER: to RAM:twin.lha

This way the file is copied to the Amigas RAM-disk.

More details *please*?

[Noster]

Hi,

I have copied the section about the serial cable from the documentation of TwinExpress:

            1.4 THE SERIAL CABLE
           
                    A  null-modem  cable  connects  the  computers by their
            serial  ports.  Such  a cable can be bought in a computer store
            or  can  be  made  from an eight-wire cable and two connectors.
            The  table  below  shows  how  the  different signals are wired
            along   with   the  pinout  in  use  with  different  types  of
            connectors (9 and 25 pins):
           
              ------ CONNECTOR 1 -----        ----- CONNECTOR 2 ------
                DB25     DB9    SIGNAL        SIGNAL    DB9     DB25
           
                 07       05       GND  <---> GND       05       07
                 02       03        TD  <---> RD        02       03
                 03       02        RD  <---> TD        03       02
                 05       08       CTS  <---> RTS       07       04
                 04       07       RTS  <---> CTS       08       05
                 06       06       DSR  <---> DTR       04       20
                 20       04       DTR  <---> DSR       06       06
           
            Usually  the serial port has a male connector. The cable should
            therefore  have  two female connectors. However, it is safer to
            verify this before you buy a cable...

(The format of the text is destroyed, as every additional blank is removed from the text :-()
Build this cable, and copy the transfer-tool (e.g. TransWarp can be found in Aminet) to the A1000 as I've mentioned earlier in this thread.


Noster

[badalias]

Noster wrote:
Build this cable, and copy the transfer-tool (e.g. TransWarp can be found in Aminet) to the A1000 as I've mentioned earlier in this thread.

There were several posts about software problems, (timeouts, write errors, etc...) can you give sep-by-step for idiots like me?

[Noster]

Hi,

> can you give step-by-step for idiots like me?

I think, I could, but to make such a step-by-step guide, I have to do it myself, so I don't forget any step :-)

This will require time, I think I could make that this evening, if you have the time to wait...(it is now 11:00am here in Germany).

Noster

EDIT: In the meantime you could build the cable :-D

[Noster]

Hi,

and remember that the A1000 has a female serial connector instead of a male one!!! (pinout for a null-modem cable is identically)

Noster

[badalias]

Yeah, thanks, I have a road trip today, and should have gone to bed several hours ago... It's 5AM here, and I've fried several things in the past due to lack of rest... Take your time, I'll be back some time this weekend for sure...

[color=ff0000]***Noster, you're incredible, THANKS FOR THE HELP!***[/color]

[chertel]

I as well will be looking forward to a useful step by step.

[Noster]

Hi,

Ok, shame on me, I was talking nonsense :-(

During testing for a step-by-step tutorial to copy a program usable to transfer files between an Amiga and a Windows-PC, I detected that it doesn't work as mentioned by me before.
The command "copy SER: to RAM:foo.bar" doesn't work on an Amiga :-(
I remembered, that I have copyied data (an ADF-file) from one Amiga to another one using a serial connection and the command "copy xyz.ADF to SER:" on the server and TransWarp on the client: This works!

However, I'm still searching for a way to copy the files required to make an easy connection between an unenhanced Amiga using Kickstart 1.2/1.3 and the according Workbench without any additional tools.
Maybe the command "Type" will make it in a form of "Type SER: To RAM:foo.bar".
This way the data of the serial port is transfered to the ramdisk into the file "foo.bar".

There are still some problems :-(:
1. The Type command only copies whole 512 byte blocks to the destination, the last bytes of the last transfered block are remaining in the serial buffer.
2. The Type command doesn't detect the end of the transfered file and remains waiting for more data.
3. The transfered data isn't completely identically ? I'm looking if this is the cause of failures during the transfer or a problem of Type, i.e. maybe Type doesn't types every character.

On the Windows-side you cannot use a terminal program, because these programs always use a kind of protocol (e.g. ZModem) and doesn't transfer the data "as is".
A way to transfer the data "as is" should be the (DOS) command "Copy". It is allowed to copy files to the devices LPT or COM1, COM2 in a form "Copy foo.bar COM1". This way the file should be copied "as is", I have to check this out also (there may have to be used the switches /A or /B with this command).

So I'm still on the run, there must be a way to get a file transfered via serial cable...

Noster

[Noster]

Hi,

bad news, the Type command only works for ascii-files :-(
The characters with an ascii-value in the range from 8 to 13 are removed from the typed file (don't know if all or only some of them). These codes are used to reposition the cursor and therefor are ignored and not typed by Type.

@chertel + badalias

If you own the original Workbench disk, do you also own the Extras disk containing Amiga Basic?
I will write a small program that is able to read data from the serial port and write it to a destination file in Amiga Basic. Such a Basic program can be transfered to an Amiga and be written to disk using the Type command, because Amiga Basic programs are just simple text-files. So anybody that owns a Workbench (1.2/1.3) and the according Extras disk can transfer the Amiga Basic program to his Amiga and use that program to load a better program (e.g. a terminal program) to the Amiga.

I think it will take 2-3 days to write and test such a tool (currently I'm not fit in Amiga Basic any more, last time I used it was 15 years ago :-)). Are you interested?

Noster

[badalias]

Noster wrote:

@chertel + badalias

If you own the original Workbench disk, do you also own the Extras disk containing Amiga Basic?
I will write a small program that is able to read data from the serial port and write it to a destination file in Amiga Basic. Such a Basic program can be transfered to an Amiga and be written to disk using the Type command, because Amiga Basic programs are just simple text-files. So anybody that owns a Workbench (1.2/1.3) and the according Extras disk can transfer the Amiga Basic program to his Amiga and use that program to load a better program (e.g. a terminal program) to the Amiga.

I think it will take 2-3 days to write and test such a tool (currently I'm not fit in Amiga Basic any more, last time I used it was 15 years ago :-)). Are you interested?

I think I have a copy of the disks mentioned, I am interested in the Amiga Basic program, let us all know when it's done. (Maybe even give us a listing in a separate post)

Thanks for the extra effort.

BadAlias