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Offline darksun9210Topic starter

Blizzard PPC 040 to 060
« on: March 04, 2005, 10:09:48 PM »
Hi there, i may or may not be getting my mitts on an 040 based PPC board for my 1200 soon, and the thing is, as i want to keep my machine in its desktop case, i'll be needing to swap out the 040 for an 060...

i seem to remember a while back reading somewhere that this is possible... just lift out the old cip, a quick jumper re-solder from 5volts to 3.3, and you're laughing. but i've been trawling the web for a few days with no luck. there used to be a site dedicated to the BPPC and overclocking, but that seems to have long gone, so at the moment, i'm stuck for what to do with this...

only other question i have is, can i supply power to the floppy connector on the mainboard for a bit more juice? i have a Bvision just aching to be hooked up too..

i'll be stashing a couple of fans in there to help out with the cooling so i have that covered......

any advice, gratefully recieved :)

A500, A600, A1200x3, A2000, A3000, A4000 & a CD32.
and probably just like the rest of you, crates full of related "treasure" for the above XD
 

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Re: Blizzard PPC 040 to 060
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2005, 10:21:04 PM »
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the thing is, as i want to keep my machine in its desktop case, i'll be needing to swap out the 040 for an 060...

Good luck with that, there is no socket for the CPU. Anyway, I found some oldish thread about it. Nothing conclusive there though. Anyway, Brian Hoskins would be the guy to ask, I guess...

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here used to be a site dedicated to the BPPC and overclocking

tried google?

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can i supply power to the floppy connector on the mainboard for a bit more juice?


You should.
 

Offline darksun9210Topic starter

Re: Blizzard PPC 040 to 060
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2005, 11:01:40 PM »
thanks for the reply :) i'll definatly start following it up once i get the PPC board,
as for the google thing, i was just missing the work "overclocking" ARGH! lol

thanks again :)

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and probably just like the rest of you, crates full of related "treasure" for the above XD
 

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Re: Blizzard PPC 040 to 060
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2005, 01:16:19 AM »
actually I have changed several blizzardppc cards the 040 to 060
but BEWARE you must have EXPERIENCE with soldering and much more EXPERIENCE with desoldering!
the soldering can easily take 20 minutes but the desoldering of the 040....
can take hours to days.
also you can built some socket for the 68k from lines of pins
and you must change 2 jumpers.
one resistor near the resistor for overclocking the ppc and to the left of them, and one chock (bigger) that is under the 68k and to the down edge of the board.
after that you mast FLASH IMEDIATELY the board with an 060 firmware and your done :-)
the desoldering of the 040 is a very dangerous work because blizzardppc is a multiple layer board and is very easy to damage it by getting out the proccessor or by overhot it.
And it doesn't deserve it!
 

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Re: Blizzard PPC 040 to 060
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2005, 03:46:26 AM »
cant wait to i get my 060\240 and coupple of http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4661&item=3877291197&rd=1(6watt tec will do fine with my chipps) then some rubber platings for the back of the card two micro havy duty heatsink\fan +silcon and boja we got our self a winner .O and ops dont try this anyone if you havent done it before and dont know how a TEC works  :-D
Could be a sugestion for someone willing to do anny thing to oveclock their acselerator board but this is not recommended since it tend to produce condensation if not inserted right.use a 176watts one in my amd mainboard is just coverd in silicon :-D


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Offline kas1e

Re: Blizzard PPC 040 to 060
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2005, 07:34:39 AM »
to StormLord

you already have working bpcc board with your resoldering from 040 to 060 ? If yes, i have some quetion about it:

1. 060 and 040 have different pinouts, but it is work without any updates for bppc/68k cpu ?

2. what about oscilators for ppc and 68k ? I mean for my 040 i have 66 mhz oscil, and have 33mhz of speed (/2), if i put 060, i must to use 100mhz oscil? or what ?

3. "and you must change 2 jumpers". what is it? for what ?

4. what abou 3.3v and 5v for 040 and 060 ? as i know 040 work on 5.5v, 060 on 3.3v.

5. "after that you mast FLASH IMEDIATELY the board with an 060 firmware" How i can do it ? Where i can download 060 firmware,etc.

6. do you know maybe, what kind of BGA Sockets i can use for oscilators and for CPU ? (i mean tech.name of socket type).

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Re: Blizzard PPC 040 to 060
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2005, 01:23:24 PM »
Well, and only the silence heard it?:) So, while nobody answers still, I sumarize all info, that I could find on this question. But for first, anyone here _already_ do it this kind of project ? Anyone have worked/resoldered bppc from 040 to 060 ? StormLord ?  Maybe some friends who already do it this ?

Well, i trying to summarize all stuff about flash update/resistors/etc. So, we do it these steps:

1. Resoldering 040 and 2 oscils (68k/ppc) from board, and putting sockets for CPU and 2 oscils on the board. For  sockets oscills we can use standart 8pin DIL IC Socket (split on 2 part). For CPU oscills i don't know still what kind of mostly using in PC world sockets (from 486 maybe?) can be used as CPU socket for 040/060.

2. Putting back 040 for rewriting flash to 060 by BlizzPPC060Update. I hope it can be, becouse flash update it is main problem: if we put 060 and try to start, we can't do it becouse we have flash for 040.

3. Tottaly undesoldering from board one _left_ (first) SMD resistor in end of board (where is 5 SMD resistor and 4 using for clock multiplier). What doing this resistor btw ?

4. Under 68 CPU present bigger resistor for CPU voltage. For 040 it's set to 5V, muts be 3.3v for 68k. (replace or resoldering ?, i am do not view place under 68k on ppc, maybe anyne have good screenshot ?).

5. Putting 060, and start. Enjoying.

And, what about oscils. Here is some bppc revision with one or two oscils. must be change this or can be putting old ?

Sorry for poor english.
 

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Re: Blizzard PPC 040 to 060
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2005, 04:39:39 PM »
Let me try to help you,

I actually do use a BPPC card that i upgraded myself from a 040 to 060 processor. In fact, i used to have a Blizzard 1260, and a BPPC 040, so i upgraded the BPPC and downgraded the 1260.

1. If you have sure that your 060 processor is working fine, there's no need to put a socket for it. In fact the socket, as time passes, will only add to the bad contact probability. Soldering the 060 on the board is piece of cake, so you don't have to worry about heat, of course, as long as you have some soldering experience. If you've never dessoldered fragile components before, give this task to someone that is more experienced than you. Aplying too much heat while dessoldering the 040, will at least mess up the board.

Another important thing is to pay attention to the little plastic pieces, that keep the processor a little far from the board. You need to move them to the 060. The processor dissipates heat from below it's body, and you can damage the board if it's very close to it.

2. You can do the flashing of the card before you change the processors, as well you can do it after the procedure. I did mine after i changed the processors. The board works. You can boot into workbench. But as the library (68040.library in the 040 board) is in the flashrom, you'll lose eficiency, and will experiment some lockups running a processor other than a 040. But you can do it after the processor change.

3. This resistor is the clock divider ratio. In one position it divides the oscilator frequency by 2 to feed the 040 processor. In the oposite position the clock will be sent directly to a 060, so you can use a 50MHz oscilator.

4. Sorry, no screenshots. But if you are able to do the job, you'll have a multimeter and know how to use it.
The part you have to move is not a resistor. It's a miniature coil. It's a black square piece. You can see in a close look that this part is soldered in two pads on the board, and that there's another pad beside the coil. You just have to move the coil so it sits in the same middle pad, and the free one. But before, you can use your multimeter to have sure the free pad haves 3.3V.
By the way, it's not under the processor. It's in the same line as the multiplier resistors.

5. If you did what i said, it sure is ! :)

Regards,
Marcelo.
 

Offline kas1e

Re: Blizzard PPC 040 to 060
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2005, 07:01:28 AM »
yes! thanks to Mugo.

actualy i have the same situation : old bliz060 + y bppc with  040. But, here is little remark :) When i buyed mediator (from 3d party hands) it was totally broken, and i must been resoldered all pci slots/etc. So, for this work/tests i used my bliz060. And for bad karma i just puted P8 and P9 connectors incorrect, and killed my bliz060. I hope dead only board, no CPU itself.

So, i want to resoldering this CPU, and put it on BPPC. I hope here is no problem if my 060 dead (bppc just not will work, and i put 040 to back, or buy new 060 cpu).

Is good that board will start without Flash update (no case for killing flash).

ps. do you use still 50mhz for your new 060, or speed up it some ? (i have 66mhz oscil, for 060 it will be really good i think)
 

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Re: Blizzard PPC 040 to 060
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2005, 01:02:59 PM »
The Flash of the card CANNOT take place BEFORE changing the CPU because the flasher will tell you that you have wrong processor for this update. But BECAREFULL you must have a PREPAIRED disk before change the proccessors because the only thing you can do with an 060 cpu with 040 flash is get to the shell by geting to earlystartup and selecting to start without S-S, any booting without the correct flash will crash the machine. Also its best after you have changed the cpu to disable the BPPC card by holding key 2 when starting up to do the flash with the internal (020) processor, this flash with 020 will take up to 10 minutes maybe a little more so you must be patient and do not distrurb it because you can end with a useless card.
If you dicide to go for the update I'm wishing you luck.
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Re: Blizzard PPC 040 to 060
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2005, 01:39:22 PM »
Think twice before "play" with your preccciiioouuuusss!!! card, please!

You are giving me the shivers! :nervous:

 

Offline kas1e

Re: Blizzard PPC 040 to 060
« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2005, 08:56:51 PM »
yes! i do it !! i resoldering my 68060 from _dead_ bliz060 board, and put it in my bppc over 040, and now, i have 060 on 3.3v on 66mhz + 603 ppc on 266mhz! It was very cool and interesting project, thanks to Mugo and StormLord for helps for me in emails. Lots of positive moments :)
 

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Re: Blizzard PPC 040 to 060
« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2005, 08:58:53 PM »
:pint:
Congratulations! Good to hear it worked :-).