Debian? Apache? Amiga? Amazing!

[mrroche]

I have 2 amiga's. One is a 68040 A4000 with 32MB of ram. The other is a 68030 A1200 with 16MB of ram. The A4000 has an internal ethernet card and the A1200 will be using a NE2000 pcmcia ethernet card.
I'm not sure what brand/type of ethernet card the A4000 has.

Ok, here's the deal. I know you can run Debian on Amiga. I know you can run apache on Debian.

I have three questions:
1) After installing debian on amiga can you just "apt-get install apache" or do you have to compile apache from source?
2) Are there any really well documented installation manuals for getting linux on amigas where they outline how to setup the hardware?
3) Has anyone setup this configuration before and if so can you give me some pointers/resources to look at?

This may be for a second year bonus project I'm doing for a Internet Systems Technician course.

Any help and suggestions would be appreciated as well as advice for which linux distro to use with amiga.

Thanks again for your time.

[tony23]

Hi mrroche,

 Try and get Amiga Active magazine back issues #17 and #18 with the cover CD's. They had a Master Class Linux feature and all the software needed for 68K or PPC Amiga's.

 Although there were some problems with the #17 CD they fixed them with issue #18. You should be able to find em on ebay sometime as they do come up fairly often.

Hope this helps..
T23

[MrZammler]

Having done some of this here's my suggestions:

Use NetBSD instead of Linux. For some un-explainable reason, I do prefer NetBSD (feels faster, smaller footprint).

Apache is easy to install either via a precompiled binary or you could compile it yourself using some optimizations for your cpu.

Install more mem if you're serious about it. 64M is ok.

Serving static pages is fast enough even on the 030. Using PHP and Mysql I think you'll find that you'll need a faster cpu.

Check this out: http://loraine.amigahellas.gr/ . It is running on a 030 A1200. The slowness is due to the slow link.

[kvasarnomad]

I tried to install NetBSD on my A1200, Viper 030, 48Mhz
but there where some strange error when I tried to create the filesystem.
It turns out that I need a FPU even thou it should work without.
Is this true?

[MrZammler]

Hi kvasarnomad

yes, even though there is an FPU emulator, you do need an FPU to setup(use?) NetBSD. Had the same problem myself without it.

I'm not sure though if things got better in this part with NetBSD 2.0.

[kvasarnomad]

That was fast!

[mrroche]

Awesome. My 1200 has an FPU and I can probably throw some more ram into it.

Thanks for the NetBSD suggestion! I will look into it.

As for the amiga active mags I will also see if my dad has any in a box...

THANKS EVERYONE!

[Sarek3]

http://www.debian.org/ports/m68k/

http://www.linux-m68k.org/debian-amiga.html


 :-)

Try these links.  There is also a place to download an iso image to install Debian GNU/Linux off the Internet.


>cd images:


For those who are bold enough to try out an installation of Sarge Debian.  :nervous:  If you're nervous, don't try it before reading the manual.  Installing Debian GNU/Linux is not as easy as installing Windows.

apt-get install apache
as root would install it if it didn't get included in the installation.

I have to get my hard drives fixed before I try it on my Amiga.
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Linux Gcomm 2.4.18-bf2.4 #1 Son Apr 14 09:53:28 CEST 2002 i686 unknown

[Sarek3]

Again, just for those who are bold!

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:10:37 -0600
From: Stephen R Marenka
To: debian-68k@lists.debian.org
Subject: d-i testing pre-rc3
Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:11:01 -0600 (CST)
Resent-From: debian-68k@lists.debian.org

Please help test debian-installer to make sure we can make a clean
rc3 release. In particular, I can only test m68k/mac so all the other
subarchs are somewhat untested.

d-i images:

cd images:

documenation:

Thanks,

Stephen

-- Stephen R. Marenka If life's not fun, you're not doing it right! .

[leirbag28]

@everyone

Why is it Nobody ever has a screenshot of their Amigas running Debian Linux or NetBSD?

Does NetBSD have a nice desktop?   What the heck does it look like?

What do the icons look like?  are there any?  Show us your setup.....take grabs of your screen shots.

I want Linux on my CD32/SX32 badly!

[rayt]

why is everybody drooling about 68k unix/linux?? the only reason to have an amiga is amigaos.. if you want to run linux/unix you can buy a cheap x86 boy any time..

[Failure]

rayt wrote:
why is everybody drooling about 68k unix/linux?? the only reason to have an amiga is amigaos..

*cough!*  *COUGH!*

;-)

I suppose people enjoy it for the geek factor more than anything else.  An A3000UX is rather trivial next to almost any x86 machine running any of the bajillion variants of BSD or Linux, but it is certainly another reason to have an Amiga besides AmigaOS.  Same with BSD/Linux on Amiga.

[MrZammler]

@leirbag28:

Well, check the fluxbox site's screenshots, my desktop looks a bit like that (only more simple I should add) + a couple of xterms, nedit, xchat and dillo ;-)

The closest right now would be:
http://www.amiga.org/gallery/index.php?n=457

When my 060 finds some cycles to spare from other compiles, I will try to compile ImageMagick for a screenshot.

As Failure said it, it's the geek factor plus the sheer excitment that with NetBSD/Amiga you can really start and learn how a unix system works (as in it is much simpler/cleaner than linux). You can take a look at sources for drivers, the xserver, etc.

Right now, I'm truly sad that I have a 060 in my miggy, I really *must* get another for AMIX! ;-)

[Dandy]

rayt wrote:
why is everybody drooling about 68k unix/linux?? the only reason to have an amiga is amigaos.. if you want to run linux/unix you can buy a cheap x86 boy any time..

First of all:
Not everybody is drooling, as you are appearently not...
BTW:
If you don't accept the necessity of Linux on the Amiga (or even Windows on the Amiga) - what are you doing here in the "alternatives to the AmigaOS" section at all?

Secondly:
Only dummies buy an computer just to run the OS.
 :pissed:
What makes a computersystem valuable is the availability of applications you need to do your work with.

And you simply can't say that on the Amiga platform all the applications exist that I need to do my work with.

It starts with the lack of an up-to-date browswer and goes up to the lack of tools to make an secure log on to my company's network from home, not to mention that the application I have mainly to work with was exclusively written for WIntel boxes.
As it is planned that our company moves to Linux, so my "main-application" is also going to be ported to Linux - and not to AmigaOS...
 
One now might ask why I bother with the Amiga at all.
The answer is quite simple:
It's my beloved hobby on the one hand side - and on the other side I don't want to have several different systems - my flat and my desk are too small for that!

I really would like to continue my 16-year-long support for the Amiga - but only if the next generation is usable for me.

Back in the ninetees my classic Amiga 500 with a small hardware add-on was able to run the mainstream OS and its applications as well - if a new Amiga should not be able to do so, it is simply unusable for me.

Then I would keep & run my classic Amiga as long as it lives for hobby purposes and get me an x86 system for my work...