Genesi: More Details about STBs, Pegasos I, and OS4

[JoannaK]

@HyperionMP
Should someone copy those earlier messages from Ann.lu here so that those peole actually saw what  you wrote? LIke your total ignorace of Bucks  West Point graduation? I think it's education high enough...  

I'm not going to waste my time on that.. But I really wish these people would read at least that one thread on Ann.lu before commenting so blindly.    :-P

[jtsiren]

I agree though that most of Buck's nonesense should never have made it onto news websites as "news", over and over again. However what Alkemyst has done is posting this "information" onto an *open forum* and even provided a link where a reader could find this message within full context. (In this case, that doesn't change much however)

Mike, no offence, really, but your obsession with labeling things news or putting them in other kinds of categories is getting out of hand. You refuse to see things for what they are, and instead use categories to make them something else.

This post is just as visible for a shorter if not equal or longer time than any news posting. Whether or not one agrees with posting it is irrelevant in my opinion. It spreads just the same. And thus, we can discuss it just the same.

I really doubt people visiting a hobbyist site like Amiga.org give that much difference to news and forums. Perhaps if this were CNN that would be the case, but not now, not really. People view what they see. News are highlighted, but a thread title like this on the top of the page is highlight enough.

People will read it just like they read news. And this being a community, volunteer site where all posts are made by same people that post on the forums, people will treat it mostly the same. I honestly feel in my experience within Amiga community this to be the case. Categories don't matter, content does.

It is on the front page. It was way out of context (I'm not saying I care, I'm just saying it is out of context because, well, duh, it is?). It spreads like any news posting would. It is just like news. You can explain this away with a technicality, but it remains a technicality. (With the possible exception with regard to a small minority of people out side of the community coming to take a peek from time to time.) Posting a link is a technicality too, since people will have already made up their minds. (Now if one were to summarize the entire thread or post JUST the link, this would be different...)

Mind you, I don't disagree with posting it here. By all means, if you want to discuss it and the poster has no objection (that is probably long enough to be covered by most copyright laws), go ahead. I'm just disagreeing with your assesment that these technicalities make a difference. In my opinion, they don't. Just like in that MAI thread a few days back. Sure, technically the report wasn't perfect, but it was still good research and writing it off on the technicality that MAI wasn't asked to comment is just plain ridiciluos. That doesn't invalidate what was said and researched. It only lacks something.

It is the content that matters. Not the technicalities. This is not a court room.

We should really get into discussing the content of the news, not the category it was posted in or other technicalities that allow us to discredit it. That is just petty. I see it on all sides, and I probably participate in it sometimes myself without really realizing it, but people with strong biases are really prone to coming up with these kinds of things against stuff they don't like. That is unfortunate.

We are really threading new depths in this community when so much of discussion is devoted to what is news and what is not. Why not discuss the content instead?

I will do my best to do so, anyway.

[gary_c]

Alkemyst wrote:

I see you defending BB more and more no matter what.

That isn't true at all. I think a more careful look at what I've written here and there will show that I sometimes chime in when I think there's a good reason to say something. But I'm not going to sacrifice my good sense to defend anyone or anything when there's no grounds for it. I'm not on Genesi's payroll, and I'm involved in Phoenix as a volunteer, so I have nothing to gain by destroying my own credibility in talks like these.

So i will not waste time giving you reasons.
As you will go on & on anyway.

A more likely explanation for you not giving me reasons is that it's hard to explain something like your out-of-context post. I only go on and on when there's still something to be said. In other words, you're copping out by trying to label me instead of responding to my points.

-- gary_c

[Madgun68]

@gary_c

"My other point, that Bill Buck posted his words in response to your calling him "a former army captains without any academic background" still stands, I believe."

I doubt he would have received that comment had he not made that crack about Ben being a law clerk.

[JoannaK]

@Mountain_myst
I have to say you do have original ideas of how this world works and I have to admit they are refreshing to read for a change.

One thing I agree with you .. Ainc/Eyetech/hyperion are going to need all the luck there is.   :-D  :-D  :-D

[MikeB]

Hello Coder,

Flame me if you want but if I can port a game to MOS wich would earn me some money I will.

Of course Coder, virtually nobody blames anyone for writing Windows software. So, the criticism stated here has nothing to do with what you have stated.

Why do you believe you would be flamed on for this?

[gary_c]

Madgun wrote:

I doubt he would have received that comment had he not made that crack about Ben being a law clerk.

Sure, Ben was provoked, but he was happy enough to reply on the same low level, showing both ignorance about his "opponent" and the willingness to try to smear. So, uh, who are the good guys and bad guys, again? It's great to see these people participating in the forums, but both Ben and Bill have rather spotty records in terms of appropriateness in what they say. So it comes down to: if he's on "your side," he's proven once again what a bad guy he is; if he's on "my side" he was provoked by that other guy. It's a circus in any case.

-- gary_c

@JoannaK

I didn't even have to read your post to know that it would be standing behind Bill Buck.

Could it be that you are the one that is blind?

Because Amiga Inc. didn't give you what you wanted when you were standing behind them.

Would you like to tell the people here the real cituation as to why you are so angry with Amiga Inc?

or will you just let it keep riding on.
Building up anger and hostility in your heart towards anything that Amiga Inc. tries to do.

Come on JoannaK...
Tell everyone the real reason you don't stand behind Amiga Inc.

and this is not meant in a mean way.

[Alkemyst]

That isn't true at all. I think a more careful look at what I've written here and there will show that I sometimes chime in when I think there's a good reason to say something. But I'm not going to sacrifice my good sense to defend anyone or anything when there's no grounds for it. I'm not on Genesi's payroll, and I'm involved in Phoenix as a volunteer, so I have nothing to gain by destroying my own credibility in talks like these

Im biased, But so are you even tho you think your not.

Your postings have changed alot i have noticed it clearly.

I did wonder why Now i know why.

The only reason im reply is cos now you admit to being involed with phoenix.

Im in favor od Aone/Aos4 but when i think the ppl involed with the Aone/Aos4 give stupid statements i just shut up. i will not defend them.

Like Aos5 by end of the year unlikely so no comment from me on ppl attacking amiga.inc.

But  it dont meen Aos5 will not be out by the end of the year.

[Kay]

:-o :-o :-o :-o

:-x :-x :-x :-x

I hereby declare that I will NOT under any circumstance purchase a Pegasos or any other Genesi product as long as Bill Buck is associated with the company.

Buck, you need not list your background in order for me to understand what kind of man you are.

Kay

[MikeB]

@ jtsiren

News are highlighted, but a thread title like this on the top of the page is highlight enough.

My criticism is/was mostly meant as a way of providing information/feedback to Amiga.org webmasters, to enable them to enhance this website.

Amiga.org has quite a few readers still, however when I compare the quality of moderations, feature articles, news submission, etc to BeNews during its heydays as a volunteer effort as well, the difference in quality ensurance is quite disturbing to me personally.

However, IMO Amiga.org is still in many ways the best website the Amiga community has to offer, and so I do appreciate this website.

[gary_c]

MikeB wrote:

It is disappointing to see that people like you and Greenboy are opting to play more and more to be the Devil's advocate, or unknowingly are being taken advantage of by Mr. Buck for his own purposes.

Well, being Devil's advocate is sometimes a good thing, and fun, but that's not my motivation in this situation, or greenboy's. And we've both got our eyes open; no one is being taken advantage of unknowingly. The thing is, Genesi offers an opportunity for Phoenix members (a certain interested subset, I should clarify) that Amiga, Inc. just didn't, and doesn't. I don't condone everything Bill Buck does, or maybe the way he does it, but the fact is that he represents a real chance for developers, and his energy and committment to furthering the platform are undeniable. As far as style is concerned, there's an ongoing learning process, too. And how Genesi and Phoenix work together, how things are presented, etc. are evolving, hopefully improving. In any case, things are happening now with Phoenix, and with people who want to get involved, things that went nowhere when Amiga, Inc. was approached for the same purpose.

-- gary_c

[Alkemyst]

As i already knew no matter what is said Gary-c will go on & on.

[Madgun68]

@gary_c

I definately agree about it being a circus. Don't they know that there's more to a circus than just clowns? :-o

[Coder]

@MikeB

Why do you believe you would be flamed on for this?

In the heat of discussion it could happen. But I see not here. :-)

Coder

[Herewegoagain]

It is on the front page. It was way out of context (I'm not saying I care, I'm just saying it is out of context because, well, duh, it is?). It spreads like any news posting would.

Yet people thought the 5 page personal rant the other day fully deserved to be on the front page.  It all goes back to who you support in the end.

I'm sure those who support Genesi and Bill Buck will want this burried and hid away as soon a possible.  Personally, I think it's a funny read.  It sounds just as looney as most of Bills other posts, and deserves a place right here on the front page for all to enjoy.

Bill Buck has this determination about "finding out all about people" once he has encountered a conflict with them online.  He is one wierd person in my opinion.