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Genesi: More Details about STBs, Pegasos I, and OS4
« on: February 28, 2003, 09:20:34 AM »
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Good Morning,

Let this be the end of the story for now. As you can see there is absolutely no interest from the Developers of OS4 to work with us. They are not interested in the Pegasos and they have no interest in cooperating with us. The private emails sent to Ben remain unanswered. We have been provided no means to reach Hyperion and they have no office to call on. As far as we are concerned, they have rejected our assistance again. Please no longer accuse Genesi of being insincere about working with those developing OS4. We have tried to do so.

OS4, if it is ever finished and delivered to the market with a dongle, will be hacked. We are not encouraging this. It is simply a fact. The dongle strategy is based on ignorance. To the contrary, we have suggested a proper legal approach. Today, here, everyone has testimony to the result of this effort. This is not a publicity stunt. These are facts. Read the thread again in case you missed something. Eventually, possibly the only thing that will save the OS4 development will be to make it open source. Think about it.

We know where you were employed Ben -- now everyone else does too. Our lawyers in Paris confirmed this just after you visited us in Paris last year. In English and in American convention, you are a legal clerk. You can call it whatever you want. What does your business card say? You are not a lawyer as you style yourself to be. Do not mistake us, your job is important and as we have told you privately in our last email exchanges in March and April 2002 and publicly, you are an intelligent young man. We hope your current work goes well. The world needs a way to solve big problems in a moral and legal way and you are part of that. Thanks!

As for my education, you can read about it here: www.usma.edu. I was learning how to program with batch cards and Fortran when you were in kindergarten. My Engineering degree and my certification as a practicing engineer makes my education satisfactory by most standards. While there, I spent one summer on a Crossroads Africa Program teaching Physics to high school students and helping to build a school in northwestern Kenya. Another summer I spent learning how to jump out of airplanes, serving in the 82d Airborne Division and participating in an exchange program with Eloy Alfaro, the Military Academy of Ecuador. During the academic year after class, I played American Football, rugby, soccer, team handball, boxed, learned to scuba dive, etc. Certainly, if you want to discuss other things we can. Why don't we start with Aristotle's summary of moral virtues. Concerning ambition where would you sit between the extremes of the vice of deficiency and the vice of excess?

About my military background...I actually resigned my commission as a Major (Commandant for the French). That is one grade above Captain. Here is something I posted recently to GameTeam@phinixi.com just to make sure you understand my mentality...

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On this list we really have people from all over the world. This is very important to us. The world is a great place, but it needs a little help. Our games should have this in mind. We want thoughtful skill oriented games that require online cooperation with people from "other" places. Maybe, one day we will have a language toggle. Ever seen a United Nations meeting with every Diplomat wearing an earphone so he can hear everything in his native language and speak in his own? Imagine what a little communication and a common purpose might enable...;-) OK, that is the future...

In the meanwhile, we want everything else too -- BUT -- we will definitely want a "gore" switch. Having played a few sports in my life and been a real "Airborne Ranger" I think there is too much illusion in video games. Pain hurts. Heroic effort expended in a seconds requires years of disciplined physical and mental training. The human insensitivities promoted in "death by seconds" is not something that is going to make things better. There are too many kids today walking into schools with guns and using them. Raquel and I do not want to be part of that. Sorry, but as much as we appreciate the effort of guys like James Daniels, Payback needs a new theme. The "good guys" and the "bad guys" need to be switched in our opinion. If you put "junk" into a brain, eventually that is all you get out of it. Games are a good place to start a better trend.

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One last note about this subject for our European friends -- we understand the reluctance to support any kind of military action given Europe's last 200 years. However, as we have said before: as long as there are bad guys that do bad things, there have to be good guys that can do bad things better...;-)

It is really to bad for the OS4 Development that we cannot work together. The DTV STB we are developing is a simple STB that receives digital television signals. You people in the UK know the system. Imagine a Free-to-View SetPal STB with a PPC and MorphOS. It will have the 250MHz 403 (the embedded version of the 603 -- remember the Blizzard?). INEXPENSIVE is the driver in the first version. The RAM is still a question of cost, but the games will have at least 16MB for themselves. The controller is one that accepts remote control inputs (so anything that can do that using IR) and the resolutions are standard PAL or quarter PAL (Amiga high rest and low res). We want to be able to have a game running in two thirds of the screen while the TV is still running in the background. That is what we start with. We are not trying to be an PS2 or XBOX here...not yet...;-)

Anyway, that is the end of the Pegasos OS4 effort for now. Perhaps, you have something more to say Ben? Why don't you answer the email? Or, maybe, you should just stick to Quake and continue in your fantasies of real life.

As for anyone else that is interested in being involved in the efforts of Genesi, please continue to send us emails. Forgive us if we do not answer you right away. Thank you for your interest and support.

Sincerely,

Raquel and Bill (or maybe I should sign Wolf im Schafspelz...;-) )
 
 
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Re: Genesi: More Details about STBs, Pegasos I, and OS4
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2003, 09:36:47 AM »
And Ben Hermans past has relevance in what way??? And the number of stripes you aquired as a french boyscout would mean what for me???
Ohh yeah I forgot: Ben is solely responsible for aos4 as you are solely responsible for morphos/pegasos.
THEREFORE when you are good (perhaps even excellent) at scuba diving and Ben is not, your product must be the superior. But why should I even care?? Apparently aos is going to be hacked on its day of release anyway (As opposed to morphos which is litteraly unhackable)
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Re: Genesi: More Details about STBs, Pegasos I, and OS4
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2003, 09:48:49 AM »
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Alkemyst wrote:
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We know where you were employed Ben -- now everyone else does too. Our lawyers in Paris confirmed this just after you visited us in Paris last year. In English and in American convention, you are a legal clerk. You can call it whatever you want. What does your business card say? You are not a lawyer as you style yourself to be. Do not mistake us, your job is important and as we have told you privately in our last email exchanges in March and April 2002 and publicly, you are an intelligent young man. We hope your current work goes well. The world needs a way to solve big problems in a moral and legal way and you are part of that. Thanks!


Erm, why on Earth did bbrv need to provide this info on a public forum? Does this impact in any way upon the talent and skill which Hyperion have brought to OS4? I think not.  

 

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Re: Genesi: More Details about STBs, Pegasos I, and OS4
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2003, 09:49:48 AM »
Now I'm for sure going for the A1/Eyetech and OS4 deal  :-D .
 

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Re: Genesi: More Details about STBs, Pegasos I, and OS4
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2003, 10:09:38 AM »
What in the world is this man rambling on about.
This fellow is totally starting to FREAK me out!

OS4 is not your OS Bill Buck.
And it is not meant to run on your Pegasos.
Why in the world do you think that you should come to the Amiga community with this kind of nutsy crap talking.
This is the wierdest thing I've ever seen.

Let me say this one more time, Bill Buck.
OS4 is being built by Hyperion for the AmigaOne.

Is this what your lawsuit is about?
Because if it is, the judge is gonna laugh you out of the country.

If the Amiga team wants OS4 to run on Pegasos, then fine.
But if they don't want this, then it's none of your freakin' buisness.
Who in the world do you think you are?
The savior of the Amiga?

I hope the Amiga community is finally starting to see your true colors.

I know that MorphOS didn't turn out to be what you had inticipated, but that's no reason to threaten Hyperion and Amiga Inc.

And just because they won't run OS4 on your machine?
WOW!!!

You have totally lost your freakin' mind!

 :-o  :-?  :-x

That's it for you man...
You're outa here!
 

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Re: Genesi: More Details about STBs, Pegasos I, and OS4
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2003, 10:12:58 AM »
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You have totally lost your freakin' mind!


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Re: Genesi: More Details about STBs, Pegasos I, and OS4
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2003, 10:17:11 AM »
Wow, Buck you're quite amazing!  :-o Now you're even providing us AmigaOS4 updates! :-o I am sure "the gang" will happily swallow everything you state with regard to *3rd party* products and defend you to no end! :-o

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Re: Genesi: More Details about STBs, Pegasos I, and OS4
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2003, 10:17:24 AM »
I'd have to agree with the sentiments posted here as well. IMHO, The Posting by BBRV is way OTT. It has gotten personal and that is not good Business  practice. :-(

As to BBRV's point about Pirating OS4, Who is going to Hack and Pirate OS4? Who would benefit most from OS4 being hacked and pirated?

The Dongle is a good thing, It means that  Hyperion will maximise the amount they get back in profits from sales for all their hard work - something, I am sure, most here do not begrudge them. Yes, I appreciate that some lowlife is going to hack the dongle protection, but it will cut down on the casual pirate.

I don't care whether Ben is a Lawyer or a Legal Clerk, what gets me is the Audacity of BBRV to even go around making enquiries. I have met Bill Buck at WOASE and he was pleasent to me, but obviously the man has many faces.

I have met Ben Harmens and spoken to him on several occasions. With Ben what you see is what you get, a pleasent, genuine guy who tells it to you straight and Loves the Amiga.

Go get 'em  Hyperion!  

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Re: Genesi: More Details about STBs, Pegasos I, and OS4
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2003, 10:22:14 AM »
In the same thread were BBRV posted the rant above, he wrote this the day before:
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Hi z5, this is not a publicity stunt. Of course people could be interested in both systems! But, seriously this is not a big market. Right now today there MIGHT be 400 to 500 more Pegasos machines sold if the Pegasos had OS4 running on it (if OS4 was ready). The profit on those sales would not even cover the payroll of Genesi for two weeks. Double or even multiply that number by ten if you want. There is NOT a real business here in this market today that can support a stable commercial operation. This is about the future. This is about infusing the Amiga spirit back into the Amiga Community and building something NEW. With a solid base of users and developers we could create something VERY special -- together.

Ben has a day job, but we will send him an email today and ask him officially if you think that will help. Hyperion will most likely own the intellectual property of the classic Amiga OS eventually. Certainly, they will want to sell OS4 to anyone with a PPC platform. The Pegasos Family of products will be their biggest target market.

 

In my reading it means that he gave Ben A WHOLE DAY to decide if they wanted to port aos to pegasos.
(Ohh I especially like the pegasos will be their biggest marked - bit)
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Re: Genesi: More Details about STBs, Pegasos I, and OS4
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2003, 10:27:09 AM »
This story about me being a law-clerk is becoming quite old.

Buck knows full well I'm a real lawyer (to the extent that this even relevant) and that I act as a legal consultant for small and medium enterprises in Belgium.

I'm glad I took the precaution of protecting my personal information quite a few years ago as it would probably be floating all over ANN by now with fanatic Hyperion haters calling our firm in an attempt to get me sacked.
 

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Re: Genesi: More Details about STBs, Pegasos I, and OS4
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2003, 10:31:42 AM »
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Re: Genesi: More Details about STBs, Pegasos I, and OS4
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2003, 10:32:09 AM »
Sigh. What this really shows it that BB doesn't get what knowledge and "education" really is. The first step is when you learn is the power of knowledge and the second step is that it really doesnt matter. It is not the notations on the paper that makes you a good scientist/engineer, it is your personal skills and your personality. Clearly, Bill has only learned the first of these steps and it is probably the reason he makes this immature post (immature in scientific sense).

I think this really sad because when MOS was announced I was really excited about it. I understand that it would take a few years to get it ready and I liked the way the MOS team handled the situation: no fuss and no BS on different forums (at least not as much as there is now days). They seemed to be very focused on their task and hardworking (I believe they still are). But the last 12 months thing have changed. There are flame wars everywhere and they focus around one guy: Bill Buck. Lots of promises has been made, and almost all of them has been broken. This destroyed much of the excitement about MOS and Pegasos so my question for Genesi is:

Why are you participating in the flame wars? Why are do you create all this 'noise' everywhere? Is this a welldefined strategy or is it only an attempt to persuade people that don't believe in Genesi?

The reason I ask these question is because I think  this 'strategy' only hurts Genesi.

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Re: Genesi: More Details about STBs, Pegasos I, and OS4
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2003, 10:35:26 AM »
You don't have to justify yourself Ben.

It's really not worth it, Genesi and Co.  must be desperate to resort to such a low.

Anyhow, why do they want AOS4 on the Pegasos so badly? Isn't MorphOS supposed to be better than Amiga OS4?

Ignore them and they'll eventually get bored and go elsewhere.

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Re: Genesi: More Details about STBs, Pegasos I, and OS4
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2003, 10:36:02 AM »
Damn, that Bill guy has completelly lost it...
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Re: Genesi: More Details about STBs, Pegasos I, and OS4
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2003, 10:55:37 AM »
Alkemyst : where was this first posted ? I guess it was not intended to be the start of a new thread, or a news item.. ? (can't see it on ann, fortunately !)

Sounds really off topic indeed !