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Re: The Daddy's Amiga
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2005, 04:22:43 PM »
@Haymiggan

Hi mate! :)

Thanks I love your case too man! And I haven't forgotten I will send you the simms as soon as I can...(taking note!)

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Re: The Daddy's Amiga
« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2005, 05:50:54 PM »
So you did take offence.

I'm still standing by my points. How many galleries did you really look at? Only the last one with the extreme cases?

I don't mean you need to build your macihne into a vacuum cleaner case, but in my opinion it's a bit pointless to make a window case if you leave the innards looking like a gutted animal.. More attention to detail and the end results are so much more pleasing to the eye.

The power tower looks exactly like a PC case - I used to own an AT case that looks like that in my first PC from back in 1995. Thus I don't really see your point in there being amiganess in it. :-)

But by all means, enjoy what you accomplished. at least you've left your mark on it.
 

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Re: The Daddy's Amiga
« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2005, 06:11:52 PM »
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whabang wrote:
I can't help it, guys, but I find that case incredibly unattractive! Copper simply isn't my colour.
Good work, though.


Agreed on both counts. It'd look better if the faceplates matched, I think.
 

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Re: The Daddy's Amiga
« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2005, 09:42:50 PM »
@Jope

>So you did take offence.

Of course I did! Read your comments and see if they are not offensive. "Just a bit of paint and some plastic","I am awaiting to see a really AMAZING Amiga case"

What do you mean by that anyway, someone to produce a custom one for your royal pleasure to slag off or a pc case with lights and "rounded cables" in it like all the ones from the "pc scene"  You are passing judgment!

And what is this crap "Please don't take it as an insult but as an encouragement to do BETTER next time!" WTF! Who are you to judge? Some sort of industrial design guru? The way you speak is totally pc devotee like I am afraid and it reflects in the way you talk about the "pc modding scene" and how behind the Amiga is.

Do you own an Amiga by the way? ;)

Excuse me but it's a project and it could carry on forever but for time reasons couldn't be done. You are spitting on somebody's effort and creativity...show us something you can do/have done with your hands, without just assembling pc stuff!


>I'm still standing by my points. How many galleries did you really look at? Only the last one with the extreme cases?

You can stand by your points, your choice, and I visited all the galleries and didn't like a single one, so you are assuming that I only looked at one gallery.


>it's a bit pointless to make a window case if you leave the innards looking like a gutted animal.. More attention to detail and the end results are so much more pleasing to the eye.

Please! Again you are patronizing and offensive. Why is it pointless to leave the innards looking like that, on the other hand it shows from all the angles the beauty of an Amiga1200 and its incredible expandibility. Also if you don't mind me asking did you read the website's notes and my recent post? Just because the cables aren't tied it doesn't mean the case isn't interesting, there are some lovely architectures, like the Lloyds building that have expressed and exposed structure but it is still an interesting piece of work (not that I am comparing my Amiga to the Lloyds building) ;). It might not be finished but you will rarely find a designer happy and satisfied with his work, there is always something that can be done to improve.

I can understand other people when they say "I don't like the colour" and that's fine. It's a matter of taste, but slagging off somebody's hard work is lame.

>The power tower looks exactly like a PC case - I used to own an AT case that looks like that in my first PC from back in 1995. Thus I don't really see your point in there being amiganess in it. :-)

Yeeeah! It's a pc case converted by Elbox/Power Computing. Ever heard of them? "It looks like your case from 1995" so what? It's probably the same one and?? Appreciate the fact that like Haymiggan said it's an admirable the effort to do something with it and make it look different.

>But by all means, enjoy what you accomplished. at least you've left your mark on it.

I am enjoying it, more than 1000 hits in a day, thanks.

@that_punk_guy

Again if you read the last page on the website and the previous post it says that there is a reason behind the beige plates and again the colour? Many like it and makes it unique, matter of taste again.
 

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Re: The Daddy's Amiga
« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2005, 10:34:42 PM »
@jope:

Your just being rude and obnoxious, let us see something you made then?  :-x

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Re: The Daddy's Amiga
« Reply #19 on: February 24, 2005, 02:59:42 AM »
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I really hope we don't reach the stage when we put our beloved Amigas in vacuum cleaners like many pc users do!


that's quite an ironic comment - The Amiga beat them to the vacuum cleaner look by several years!

Amiga Technologies was *way* ahead of it's time in developing bizarre case designs - look at at the year on the first picture.

If you remember, even Apple was doing beige boxes back then.
 

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Re: The Daddy's Amiga
« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2005, 07:05:43 AM »
@restore2003

Thanks :)
 

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Re: The Daddy's Amiga
« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2005, 07:51:57 AM »
I must admit that its an impressive bit of modding, but there are a few things that I personally didn't like, the loose wires hanging around the case ruined for me what could have turned a truly exceptional case mod (and it is) into a true work of art, remember, cable ties and empty drive bays are your friends ;-)

The other was more a technical thing, specifically the fan arrangement, would it not have been better to have the fan at the bottom drawing air in and letting the PSU pull it out?

But again, a truly superb mod, worthy of Ars Technica if I'm honest.

I am always impressed when people go to such lengths to create a unique system, and this is no exception, you have done extremely well with this and don't let anyone say otherwise!

Anyway, whats wrong with vacume cleaner systems, I actually liked the Walker case :-D
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Re: The Daddy's Amiga
« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2005, 08:57:56 AM »
@the_leander

>I must admit that its an impressive bit of modding,

Thanks very kind :)

>but there are a few things that I personally didn't like, the loose wires hanging around the case ruined for me what could have turned a truly exceptional case mod (and it is) into a true work of art, remember, cable ties and empty drive bays are your friends

True, but with no time on my hands it had to be published like that. As I said the mod could have been carried on and on and on but an offer was made on the whole system so it had to be stopped. Yes I know that tied up cables give better airflow and all that but I didn' even have time to screw the panels in! LOL!

I had plans to make it an extreme Amiga and nearly purchased a water cooling kit. Having overclocked the PPC from 240 to 266 I was going to go for 300Mhz but then the cost of the kit and the risk of frying the chip advised me to be more sensible ;)


>The other was more a technical thing, specifically the fan arrangement, would it not have been better to have the fan at the bottom drawing air in and letting the PSU pull it out?

The PSU has a 120mm fan at its bottom sucking air from the case and one letting it out from the back so no massive need to add more fans, originally the case fan (3 colour led) was supposed to cool down just the Blizzard but then I placed a fan directly onto the PPC cooler so I reversed the case fan to suck air out. Technically speaking you should really have one fan at the bottom front of case to get fresh air in and one at the top left to let hot air out...but we are going into to much detail, and although the Amiga in this configuration gets quite hot (darn Voodoo3!) it doesn't need to be cooled like a P4 3.2 Ghz :)

>But again, a truly superb mod, worthy of Ars Technica if I'm honest.

Thank you...


>I am always impressed when people go to such lengths to create a unique system, and this is no exception, you have done extremely well with this and don't let anyone say otherwise!

Too kind :)

>Anyway, whats wrong with vacume cleaner systems, I actually liked the Walker case

Nothing wrong with it, one thing is designing a case "inspired" by a toaster/vacuum cleaner, another thing is sticking a motherboard into a real vacuum cleaner! I like the Walker too :)
 

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Re: The Daddy's Amiga
« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2005, 08:59:03 AM »
TheDaddy wrote:
>>So you did take offence.
>Of course I did! Read your comments and see if they are not >offensive. "Just a bit of paint and some plastic","I am >awaiting to see a really AMAZING Amiga case"

Yeah.. Seriously, having seen some truly fantastic cases, I find it hard to cheer for something that's been done lots of times before with varying success.

>What do you mean by that anyway, someone to produce a
>custom one for your royal pleasure to slag off or a pc case
>with lights and "rounded cables" in it like all the ones
>from the "pc scene"  You are passing judgment!

You lost me on that, sorry.. I'm not a native English speaker.

>And what is this crap "Please don't take it as an insult
>but as an encouragement to do BETTER next time!" WTF! Who
>are you to judge?

No-one, but I'd really like to see some really great case mods by those of you who are handy with the tools.

>Some sort of industrial design guru? The way you speak is
>totally pc devotee like I am afraid and it reflects in the
>way you talk about the "pc modding scene" and how behind
>the Amiga is.

Not words from my mouth, certainly.

Look, the reason I have this opinion is, that you are modding in essence what is a PC case that has a special mounting bracket for the Amiga motherboard + a different back panel.

Thus the mods you do are going to be judged by the same standards that people judge mods done to ATX standard cases - the base case looks pretty much the same from the outside, but you can create interesting results when you apply a bit of creativity.

>Do you own an Amiga by the way? ;)

A4000/060
A4000/040
A2000/060
A500+/010
and a pile of other A500s

C-64 user since 1985, Amiga user since 1989, also a PC user since 1995. I'm not fanatic of any computer platform, I use what gets the job done.

>Excuse me but it's a project and it could carry on forever
>but for time reasons couldn't be done. You are spitting on
>somebody's effort and creativity...show us something you
>can do/have done with your hands, without just assembling
>pc stuff!

Now you're just taking it sooo verryyy personally. If you read my first post about this, I still feel it was written in a pretty encouraging tone. However now that we began to argue about this, the situation is different and my tone is different too.


>You can stand by your points, your choice, and I visited
>all the galleries and didn't like a single one, so you are
>assuming that I only looked at one gallery.

You only pointed out the "hoover style case".

>Please! Again you are patronizing and offensive.

Come on, take some constructive improvement ideas like a man.

>Why is it
>pointless to leave the innards looking like that, on the
>other hand it shows from all the angles the beauty of an
>Amiga1200 and its incredible expandibility.

No, it shows a tangle of wires.

>Also if you don't mind me asking did you read the website's
>notes and my recent post? Just because the cables aren't
>tied it doesn't mean the case isn't interesting,

Sorry, but as you looked through those galleries, you're bound to have seen lots of cases that were similar to yours. Hence it wasn't really anything that special in the case modding universe.

>there are some lovely architectures, like the Lloyds
>building that have expressed and exposed structure but it
>is still an interesting piece of work (not that I am
>comparing my Amiga to the Lloyds building) ;). It might not
> be finished but you will rarely find a designer happy and
>satisfied with his work, there is always something that can
> be done to improve.

True and I gave you some ideas, yet you took them as insults and that lead to the crap we're spewing at each other at this very moment.

>I can understand other people when they say "I don't like
>the colour" and that's fine. It's a matter of taste, but
>slagging off somebody's hard work is lame.

Slagging off.... Hmm.

The second post was not in such an encouraging tone any more, I guess I should have been more careful with my wording.

>Yeeeah! It's a pc case converted by Elbox/Power Computing.
>Ever heard of them?
>"It looks like your case from 1995" so
>what? It's probably the same one and??

You're missing the point. The point here was to emphasize that it is a PC case -> mods done to PC cases are usually judged by the standards set by other people's PC case mods.

>Appreciate the fact
>that like Haymiggan said it's an admirable the effort to do
>something with it and make it look different.

Congratulations.

>I am enjoying it, more than 1000 hits in a day, thanks.

Yeps. How many of those hits contacted you to say it was an exceptional design? This thread isn't very long, you know, only a few dozen people out of 1000 here.

The reason I pointed people to what's happening in the PC world is, that all the Amiga case mods I've seen posted to these forums so far (and this means the ones that are in basic modified PC towers before the user started their own modding affair) look quite similar to yours - paint, window, tangly wires, a few fans.

You guys can surely do more, I enjoy watching people do great things. However I am NOT one to just throw a generic "great job" remark if I think the creator could outdo himself with a few outside ideas..

The bottom line is, I only tried to give you and the rest of the Amiga case modders a few hints on where to proceed from these beginnings (ie. what was done outside the Amiga world a long time ago). If someone who has seen lots of modded PC cases surfs to your site, they might not think "wow, great job" but they could be thinking "oh, seen those, next".

I'm ready to admit that I have not done modded cases myself, but that's just because I know that what I'd come up with wouldn't be all that great -> hence I reckon I better keep the case's original appearance rather than ruin it with my shaky hands slipping with the dremel.
 

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Re: The Daddy's Amiga
« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2005, 09:03:23 AM »
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restore2003 wrote:
Your just being rude and obnoxious, let us see something you made then?  :-x

If being rude is trying to get some new ideas wedged in the Amiga case mod scene, then I am oh so rude. Obnoxious, dear god no.

The case we're talking about here is certainly an improvement to what it used to be (a boring beige box), but it could have gone so much further, hence I can not say it's amazing at this point. Paint and windows are the staple of case modding..

Just about every lan party goer has a painted windowed case with a CCFL tube inside it.. It's not something exceptional, even though modifying cases is less common here in the Amiga circles.
 

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Re: The Daddy's Amiga
« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2005, 09:19:02 AM »
Sorry for offending all of you, I hope I have reasonably opened my brain in the above long posting and you might now see why I think like I do..

I meant the original post as an encouragement to do better - I asked a few people I know whether they thought it was rude and they said that it was actually pretty objective. (of course people I know are most likely biased towards me and vice versa :-)

I could have slagged the case off, but if you read my post again without bias, you'll probably notice that it was not my intention.

Of course the creator of the case is bound to react protectively of his creation, but I was hoping that my writings were understood more like constructive criticizm rather than plain old fashioned slagging off.

Slagging off is something I don't do.. If I were to insult the case, I'd have said straight out along the lines that "I hate your case, what a load of crap". However I didn't say that or think that (however you'll probably never believe me).

I have nothing more to add to this thread - I think I've said all I have on my mind about the subject and made my points quite clear.

TheDaddy, please take a few deep breaths, calm down and read all we wrote. I have nothing against you or your case, we both got worked up over a non-issue. However I will not take back any remarks or go back and edit my messages from this thread, as I still reckon I have not acted in any way to be ashamed of. (certainly not obnoxiously, as our Norwegian friend put it)

I think the problem here is also a huge 1000km cultural gap. I'm from Finland, TheDaddy is from the UK. Over here we often say things straight and frank (however we try to be polite about it, I too tried but failed miserably :-). Over in the UK you're usually polite towards each other even if you really think otherwise.. At least that's what I experienced when I lived there as a kid.

So.. I don't know if we can ever shake hands and make up (I certainly hope we can), but TheDaddy, I hope we can both look back at this with different thoughts after a few months have passed and we've got most of the hot air out of our systems.

TheDaddy, if you want to continue debating this issue with me, please do it in private messages, I don't want to flood the forum with this any more.
 

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Re: The Daddy's Amiga
« Reply #26 on: February 24, 2005, 10:36:20 AM »
@jope

>Yeah.. Seriously, having seen some truly fantastic cases, I find it hard to cheer for something that's been done lots of times before with varying success.

This was in no way shape or form an attempt ot rival and compete with the pc modding scene, just an AMIGA exercise. When I showed to friends and people at work they were amazed of the results, from basic A1200 to modded up to date Amiga. Lots of them didn't even know the Amiga was still around!

I am not asking you to cheer for my case nor I am begging for your approval but your comments were the only ones I and somebody else found offensive and rude, coming from someone who has never attempted doing something similar.

>Look, the reason I have this opinion is, that you are modding in essence what is a PC case that has a special mounting bracket for the Amiga motherboard + a different back panel.

Ok so what? Does it make it less interesting?

>Thus the mods you do are going to be judged by the same standards that people judge mods done to ATX standard cases - the base case looks pretty much the same from the outside, but you can create interesting results when you apply a bit of creativity.

Please! There is no intention to compete with pc modders. I couldn't give a flying monkey about the pc scene and I don't want to be judged by any pc modding people. It was as it explains clearly on the first page, a way to show what you can do with a 1994 motherboard and in this case the Amiga1200. The pc modding scene is backed by multimillion dollar industry, you can buy lots of things that fit properly, the A1200 itself is already a pain in the arse to stick into a Power Tower imagine in an ATX case. No comparison and no intention to compete with no one. If even one person like it then I am happy, although, as we know numbers don't always mean it's right otherwise we could say Windows is installed on all the pcs on this planet so it's the best OS!

>Now you're just taking it sooo verryyy personally. If you read my first post about this, I still feel it was written in a pretty encouraging tone.

LOL! There are ways and ways to encourage people. You Assumed things, criticized, slagged it off as a bit of paint and clear panels.

>Come on, take some constructive improvement ideas like a man.

Err. excuse me, see the above comments, I wasn't going to compete with pc modding cases full stop.

>No, it shows a tangle of wires.

You again minimize my work and put it down. It's not a tangle of wires, there was no more time to finish it off, otherwise I would carried on with watercooling and all that crap but I am not a pc modder. Anyway it's a tangle of wires and pc mods are a tied tangle of wires.

>Sorry, but as you looked through those galleries, you're bound to have seen lots of cases that were similar to yours. Hence it wasn't really anything that special in the case modding universe.

ROFL! So fine. Were you expecting fireworks and dancing monkeys coming out of it! It's a transformed Amiga, I would never even imagine to try and compete with a pc modder for lots or reasons, one being I have a job like many others and I am not just a kiddie who spends all of his time on a pc!

>You're missing the point. The point here was to emphasize that it is a PC case -> mods done to PC cases are usually judged by the standards set by other people's PC case mods.


Again you are missing the point by a mile! I don't want to be judged by any pc person who thinks it's another windowed case. BUT if they knew it was an Amiga then things would be considered differently.

>Yeps. How many of those hits contacted you to say it was an exceptional design? This thread isn't very long, you know, only a few dozen people out of 1000 here.

Quite a few actually but that's not the point, I wasn't looking for people to say "hey man you are good!" Who cares, I just wanted to show what you can do with an Amiga and it was never on my mind to make it better than a pc.

>The reason I pointed people to what's happening in the PC world is, that all the Amiga case mods I've seen posted to these forums so far (and this means the ones that are in basic modified PC towers before the user started their own modding affair) look quite similar to yours - paint, window, tangly wires, a few fans.

Good. We like them like that, paint, window, tangly wires, especially tangly wires we love them and they are VERY different from pc modded case with their windows..paint and tidy wires...:)

>You guys can surely do more, I enjoy watching people do great things. However I am NOT one to just throw a generic "great job" remark if I think the creator could outdo himself with a few outside ideas..

Again, patronizing comment and of course we can always do better, but time, money and other things can't always allow it.

>The bottom line is, I only tried to give you and the rest of the Amiga case modders a few hints on where to proceed from these beginnings (ie. what was done outside the Amiga world a long time ago). If someone who has seen lots of modded PC cases surfs to your site, they might not think "wow, great job" but they could be thinking "oh, seen those, next".

Yeeah if it were a pc, obviously you would think "seen that", but if they knew it was an Amiga (and they knew what an Amiga is) they would judge it differently.


 

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Re: The Daddy's Amiga
« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2005, 10:43:18 AM »
@jope

>Sorry for offending all of you, I hope I have reasonably opened my brain in the above long posting and you might now see why I think like I do..

No prob.

>Slagging off is something I don't do.. If I were to insult the case, I'd have said straight out along the lines that "I hate your case, what a load of crap". However I didn't say that or think that (however you'll probably never believe me).

I believe you but it still made me feel uncomfortable hearing " a bit of paint and tangle of wires" What if I told that about you work?

>I have nothing more to add to this thread - I think I've said all I have on my mind about the subject and made my points quite clear.

Coll. Finished here too :)

>I think the problem here is also a huge 1000km cultural gap. I'm from Finland, TheDaddy is from the UK. Over here we often say things straight and frank

Here too and again you are assuming I am from the U.K. so I must be british and my way of thinking british too...I could be Indian, Bangladeshi, Italian, French, German, Swedish and living here that doesn't mean I think like all the british...

>(however we try to be polite about it, I too tried but failed miserably :-). Over in the UK you're usually polite towards each other even if you really think otherwise..

Generalization...

I always shake hands even if the are sprayed with a bit of paint ;)

Let's end it here... :)
 

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Re: The Daddy's Amiga
« Reply #28 on: February 24, 2005, 11:09:30 AM »
TheDaddy wrote:
>I believe you but it still made me feel uncomfortable
>hearing " a bit of paint and tangle of wires" What if I >told that about you work?

Yeah, I do realise my choice of words was way off.. I didn't mean to comment at your work specifically, but I couldn't get my thoughts down correctly.

>Coll. Finished here too :)

Great. :-)

>Here too and again you are assuming I am from the U.K. so I
> must be british and my way of thinking british too...I
>could be Indian, Bangladeshi, Italian, French, German,
>Swedish and living here that doesn't mean I think like all
>the british...

Yeah, sorry.. I didn't quite mean that the way it came out either.. I guess I'll have to move to an English speaking country for a few years again to become more fluent in "social English"..

Speaking about nuts and bolts is easy even in a foreign language, but social encounters are easy to really mess up. :-)

>I always shake hands even if the are sprayed with a bit of
>paint ;)

>Let's end it here... :)

Ok, I feel much better now that this has cleared out..
 

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Re: The Daddy's Amiga
« Reply #29 from previous page: February 24, 2005, 12:32:02 PM »
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Yeeah if it were a pc, obviously you would think "seen that", but if they knew it was an Amiga (and they knew what an Amiga is) they would judge it differently


Even if it is an Amiga, people have seen things like the tower that is up for discussion before.

Most Amigas is towered these days, and most of them in customized PC towers. Does it make it a case mod???

Not that it matters anyways.