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Re: Video editing - some advice please!!
« Reply #44 from previous page: March 04, 2003, 08:29:45 PM »
@ Clooned

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Has someone tried these systems?

AmigaOne+ Firewire PCIcard+ Linux+ Cinelerra (or similar videoediting software)

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Amigaone+ Firewire PCIcard+ Linux+ MOL+ iMovie or FinalCut.


I might try a setup over the weekend. I have plans for installing Linux on my Pegasos, but because my Gfx-card isn't supported too well I have put it off until now...

@ Everyone

I got a new laptop at work today. A fairly new thingy with P4@1,7 Ghz and 256Mb of RAM, firewire and so on...
Since I work for a Linux-company I had to pull some strings to get to install Windows on it, but I now have permisson to have Win2k for 'testing purposes', as they like to call it.
So, is Adobe Premiere/ After Effects worth the 'hefty' pricetag, or is there something else that I should have a serious look at?
Now bear in mind that I'm still just a humble hobby-user...  I ask the pros for advice ;-)

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Re: Video editing - some advice please!!
« Reply #45 on: March 04, 2003, 08:46:45 PM »
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Since I work for a Linux-company I had to pull some strings to get to install Windows on it, but I now have permisson to have Win2k for 'testing purposes', as they like to call it.
So, is Adobe Premiere/ After Effects worth the 'hefty' pricetag, or is there something else that I should have a serious look at?
Now bear in mind that I'm still just a humble hobby-user...  I ask the pros for advice ;-)

FIrst of all don't buy anything this month, because NAB is first week of April.   You can get a free version of Aura DV by going to a video toaster demo still I believe, otherwise its on the cover disk of a british video magazine two months ago, and you can still get a back issue for $9, which is well worth spending.   Rumors continue to spread that a software only version of the PC Video Toaster (focussed towards DV) will debut at NAB along with 3.0.   If it does, you would be better off getting TEd (Toaster Edit)  with its included Aura, CG & Lightwave Express then Adobes software and its liable to be cheaper.   You already can capture video to your computer via firewire, if you dont have a firewire source, you may want to look at either a firewire bridge, or a DV camera with analog IN & OUT.
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Re: Video editing - some advice please!!
« Reply #46 on: March 05, 2003, 01:22:09 AM »
@Clooned,

If you want to use Final Cut Pro, buy a Mac.
 

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Re: Video editing - some advice please!!
« Reply #47 on: March 05, 2003, 01:43:57 AM »
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Just want some of your opinions and advice on this.

I am looking at getting me some video-editing equipment for home-use.


If you can possibley locate a Video Toaster Flyer... You will not be disappointed...
I have had one for 6 years or so now .. And have found it to be quite useful...

Don't know how well the the T2 works ... Although, I have heard that it is GREAT also..

THe Amiga product shines though...
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Re: Video editing - some advice please!!
« Reply #48 on: March 07, 2003, 10:46:32 AM »
Siggy it sounds like you have the Amiga 2000 version of the Toaster without a Flyer card. That vs an Amiga 4000T with Video Toaster 4000 & Flyer are worlds apart. You don't need decks with the Flyer like you did with Toaster 2.1 or 3.1 software. Everything is NLE, if you have a MinDV cam you feed it direct into the Toaster w/Flyer, you don't even need a TBC. If you had a Flyer you would love it over Premire trust me. Also, on an Amiga 4000 the VT has many, many real-time color effects. A feature that is missing on Amiga 2000s. As far as After Effects goes it is cool. I like Combustion   more myself but I have seen a lot of good work done with After Effects. Adobe aquired the company and the product though, it was not a software effort that Adobe came up with the way Premire was. The production board and deck paradigm is not something you would be dealing with if you added a Flyer to your Toaster system.
 

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Re: Video editing - some advice please!!
« Reply #49 on: March 07, 2003, 03:53:34 PM »
@ Unit21

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I have been looking at some PC-based 'DV-solutions' within my price-range. The only thing I haven't tried yet is Adobe Premiere, which I will get my hands on later today I hope....
But as my budget is rather small for the DV-world I probably have to settle for something cheaper. After all, the PC applications that are up to the job cost well over $500 here in Norway.
I can buy a complete DraCo 060 for that...
Plus, I haven't really found an application that I *like* yet...

If it is of any interest I will let you all know how it turns out when I finally decide what to get, at the end of this week.


I have heard good things about the Draco/Casablanca system, Isn't it called Avio now?

Anyway I just built a Video editing system around the Matrox RTX10. In some ways I wish I would have went with the RTX100, but the money thing helped with the decision. I am very happy with Premier and the RTX10 brings realtime to a lot of features. The RTX100 makes the entire process real time. My entire system cost close to $1400US.

Being part of the Amiga community I really wanted to support Newtek and get a Vtoaster2, but the VT2 card itself cost my entire budget.

What ever you chose I hope it
does what you need it to do.

Spiffy   :-)

By the way you live in one of the most wonderful countries I have been to. Hope you had good skiing this year.
 

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Re: Video editing - some advice please!!
« Reply #50 on: March 14, 2003, 09:57:23 PM »
@ Everyone...

After weeks of consideration and testing I ended up with this:

Sgi 320 with dual Pentium3 1Ghz and one Gb of memory, the 1600SW-display and a few Gigs of hard-drive space.

I will give it a shot with Adobe Premiere first, but if anyone has any experience with this hardware and knows of software that supports the Sgi better than Adobe Premiere, please let me know!!

Thanks again for advice and opinions on this, it is much appreciated!
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Re: Video editing - some advice please!!
« Reply #51 on: March 15, 2003, 12:07:49 AM »
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Siggy it sounds like you have the Amiga 2000 version of the Toaster without a Flyer card.


Indeed this is the case. I bought it based on past experience with it to perform the function of a live switcher.  It performs its duties admirably, and is cheaper than buying a production board (which I will eventually get anyway). Again - it I am using this for LIVE work.

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That vs an Amiga 4000T with Video Toaster 4000 & Flyer are worlds apart. You don't need decks with the Flyer like you did with Toaster 2.1 or 3.1
software.


No doubt they are - but my post wasn't in dispute of any of these points.. It was replying to a post that said that 'Professional Editors want a software interface that looks like the equipment' - as a professional editor, I was saying that this isn't true.

What I was talking about was the preferred 'interface' not about any specific software or product.

In this regard I am neither pro-premier, nor anti-toaster.

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If you had a Flyer you would love it over Premire trust me. Also, on an Amiga 4000 the VT has many, many real-time color effects.


I'll have to look at it myself to really judge that - but I doubt that it would be able to do the work that I need to get done effectively, again I'd have to see the system working to make a final judgement on that.
Note - I am not 'poo pooing' anyones setup - but when I mention my  'freelance work' I am talking about things like high quality television commercials, and my 'home system' being a system set up soley for the purpose of high end video production (and is used for nothing else).
 My needs are obviously a LOT different than the average user (to which my advice was looking into all alternatives and your existing hardware to get the best 'bang-for-buck' that suits your needs).

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The production board and deck paradigm is not something you would be dealing with if you added a Flyer to your Toaster system.


Again - I was replying to a post that spoke of the preferences of professional editors - as a professional editor that's worked on both high end production boards and high end non-linear systems, I was giving my opinion on that.

As it stands at the moment - I'm more than likely upgrading my edit system to Avid DV Express later this year, and I'll be keeping an eye on the new Amigas to see where they head in the realms of video - when Toaster came out it (like the Amiga itself) was way ahead of it's time, and I'd like to see the new systems do to Avid what the Toaster did for production boards (i.e. give a cheap and powerful alternative).

Cheers.

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Re: Video editing - some advice please!!
« Reply #52 on: March 15, 2003, 04:48:49 AM »
A couple of comments to both Siggy & Unit21.  NAB start on April 7th.   New software (and maybe some surprises) will be shown by a number of people.   Newtek's VT 3.0 has been announced a standalone software only DV version may show its head at NAB as well.   Vegas Video 4.0 with its DVD option is also something to look at.   Though Adobe & AVID are well known names, I frankly think they are overpriced for what you get, and it will be interesting to see what they have available next month.
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Re: Video editing - some advice please!!
« Reply #53 on: March 15, 2003, 05:47:08 AM »
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NAB start on April 7th. New software (and maybe some surprises) will be shown by a number of people.


Yep - the day after my birthday, and right here in Las Vegas.  I'm looking forward to going and checking it all out.

If anyone else is going we should do the hookup.

Cheers
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Re: Video editing - some advice please!!
« Reply #54 on: March 15, 2003, 07:29:11 AM »
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Yep - the day after my birthday, and right here in Las Vegas. I'm looking forward to going and checking it all out.  

If anyone else is going we should do the hookup.


I'm going though I will only be there for the first day.   You need to be sure to go by the Newtek booth, and come to the Toaster Party, Monday night.   If you dont have a pass for the show, let me know, and I'll email you info to get a freebie.
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PS To those not attending, Newtek at least will be streaming their demos, so you can watch at least that much of the show on your computer.

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