potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP

[justthatgood]

But Geeks rock though.

And I'm still getting a XBox 360 over a Revolution, unless they give me one for FREE.

[uncharted]

justthatgood wrote:
But Geeks rock though.

And I'm still getting a XBox 360 over a Revolution, unless they give me one for FREE.

You'll change your mind though when Nintendo bring out the greatest game ever written by Lou himself in VB.NET  :lol:

[Louis Dias]

uncharted wrote:

justthatgood wrote:
But Geeks rock though.

And I'm still getting a XBox 360 over a Revolution, unless they give me one for FREE.

You'll change your mind though when Nintendo bring out the greatest game ever written by Lou himself in VB.NET  :lol:

Well, since MS has produced MAC software they must have a PPC compiler for Visual Studio, so it's not out of the question...infact, since they use Visual Studio to make 360 games which uses a PPC-based cpu, it's entirely possible, you know, once you pay me to do it.   :-P

[koaftder]

lou_dias wrote:

uncharted wrote:

justthatgood wrote:
But Geeks rock though.

And I'm still getting a XBox 360 over a Revolution, unless they give me one for FREE.

You'll change your mind though when Nintendo bring out the greatest game ever written by Lou himself in VB.NET  :lol:

Well, since MS has produced MAC software they must have a PPC compiler for Visual Studio, so it's not out of the question...infact, since they use Visual Studio to make 360 games which uses a PPC-based cpu, it's entirely possible, you know, once you pay me to do it.   :-P

hmmm So, since MS has written software for macs, which have a ppc in all but the new ones, i guess you are going to conclude that windows should run on the ppc macintosh? Kind of like if linux can run on the gamecube it should be trivial to run AOS4 on it?

If microsoft can write software for mac then Visual Studio must be able to compile for mac!

Compiling sh*t for one platform to another. Porting os's and crap, it's not hard, just flip some flags and let 'er rip. We are not talking about something difficult here, like writing code in c, this isnt rocket science.

I was talking to lou_dias the other day on the phone. Quote:

Lou_Dias:
Elly D up in tha hizzouse biotch. Yo, represent, i writes all muh boot loader code in vee bee dot net muthafuck4. Malloc, ptthhh, programma please, my junk is tight managed, this is 06 brutha.

Koaftder:
Hows the .net port of aros going?

Lou_Dias:
Tizznight brutha, true dat. Its pimping around the cut up in the piece. With my gold chains and msdn account nothing can stop a killa like me. I keep soldiering along each and every day. So far ive ganked a desktop snapshot of somebodys a1200 setup from a.org and got it as the background bitmap in an mdi app on vb.net. We are goin after a top down design shizzy. We is gonna start off by ripping off the UI, then dig down into the internals, so ive been spending most of my time in mspaint. My homedog jlf65 is workin on pizzorting mono over to aros, so this jank is definately gonna happen. I guess you could say weez hardcore keeping it on the reel.

[Louis Dias]

That was actually funny.  Is your coding as creative?  Maybe you should spend more time writing a "gangsta" movie-script instead of following a thread in which you truly will never gain any value from.

[Louis Dias]

Maybe Apple ditched PPC too soon...

http://news.com.com/IBM+touts+new+chipmaking+method/2100-1006_3-6035948.html?tag=nefd.hed

lou_dias wrote:

mdma wrote:

"Everyone in this forum" - yes. Well, when it comes to "real" Amiga programming, there isn't much of a choice but to program in C. For the rest of the world - C sucks.

When it comes to to real programming there is no choice but C, full stop.

For the real world BASIC is a little noddy language for people who have learning difficulties.

I'm assuming you mean as opposed to fake programming...
That or you fall into the category of never experiencing .NET.

Having been a bedroom coder for approx 8 years, then a  professional coder for 10 years, and for the past 2 years a college lecturer in programming, I think I can quite confidently claim to know what I am talking about.

I assume from your recent diatribes that by ".NET" you are actually referring to the current release of the language Visual Basic, rather than the web services platform from Microsoft.

Unfortunately for me, I have had the misfortune to use it.  I'd rather have to go back to using EDIT.COM & TASM/TLINK than to have to use it again.

[adolescent]

lou_dias wrote:

Well, since MS has produced MAC software they must have a PPC compiler for Visual Studio, so it's not out of the question...infact, since they use Visual Studio to make 360 games which uses a PPC-based cpu, it's entirely possible, you know, once you pay me to do it.   :-P

The Xbox 360 SDK, just like the original Xbox SDK, supports only Visual C++.  There is no VB, .NET, framework, CLR, etc. for the Xbox 360 (and why would there be?).

[adolescent]

koaftder wrote:

Lou_Dias:
Elly D up in tha hizzouse biotch. Yo, represent, i writes all muh boot loader code in vee bee dot net muthafuck4. Malloc, ptthhh, programma please, my junk is tight managed, this is 06 brutha.

vee bee dot net muthafuck4!  :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Louis Dias]

mdma wrote:

I assume from your recent diatribes that by ".NET" you are actually referring to the current release of the language Visual Basic, rather than the web services platform from Microsoft.

Unfortunately for me, I have had the misfortune to use it.  I'd rather have to go back to using EDIT.COM & TASM/TLINK than to have to use it again.

If you have to ask/assume, I still question your experience with it.   The "Web" aspect of it is ASP.NET, never to be confused with VB.NET.  While Visual Studio.Net is the IDE, the languages and features it supports are varied.  Creating "web forms" using ASP.Net his a whole different experience than application development.  They could never be confused so you would never have to assume when someone talks about VB.NET...

[koaftder]

lou_dias wrote:

mdma wrote:

I assume from your recent diatribes that by ".NET" you are actually referring to the current release of the language Visual Basic, rather than the web services platform from Microsoft.

Unfortunately for me, I have had the misfortune to use it.  I'd rather have to go back to using EDIT.COM & TASM/TLINK than to have to use it again.

If you have to ask/assume, I still question your experience with it.   The "Web" aspect of it is ASP.NET, never to be confused with VB.NET.  While Visual Studio.Net is the IDE, the languages and features it supports are varied.  Creating "web forms" using ASP.Net his a whole different experience than application development.  They could never be confused so you would never have to assume when someone talks about VB.NET...

Actually its all really easy to confuse. In fact, when all this .Net stuff came into being, microsofts markiting department plastered .Net all over everything. For a good 2 years nobody even knew what i all really ment. Lots of people still dont know or care. After years of it being around, most people have discovered that it's really .VendorLockin and .NotPortable and in 10-15 years it will most likely become .abondoned for something .new

[Karlos]

Ok, after pages of this crap I am going to be as fair and objective as I can.

As a development IDE, Visual Studio is a good product. As an extension, ".net" is pretty much meaningless as can be seen in the last two posts.

As a language, VB, like all BASIC derivatives, is a pretty much an ugly pile of sh*te that exists soley for less experienced developers to work in all the time, or for more experienced developers to work in when they have no time, or when the latter class of developers are forced to share development with the former class of developers (lowest common denominator rule).

Absolutely every argument I've seen so far regarding VB's superiority *as a language* over C/C++ et al has done nothing but absolutely cement this viewpoint. I have seen just one syntactical feature so far presented (case range concatenation) which can be demonstrated to be an advantage and ironically it must be rejected on the very grounds presented by our erstwhile VB advocate. That is to say, by making the VB source more compact (requiring less lines etc) it does one of the very things he uses in the case against C like languages.

The prosecution rests.

:-P

[Louis Dias]

Karlos wrote:

Absolutely every argument I've seen so far regarding VB's superiority *as a language* over C/C++ et al has done nothing but absolutely cement this viewpoint. I have seen just one syntactical feature so far presented (case range concatenation) which can be demonstrated to be an advantage and ironically it must be rejected on the very grounds presented by our erstwhile VB advocate. That is to say, by making the VB source more compact (requiring less lines etc) it does one of the very things he uses in the case against C like languages.

The prosecution rests.

:-P

Yes, ignore the fact that it uses less lines AND is easier to read...infact the line could have been written:

Code: [Select]

Case "a" To "d"
and saved even more typing and still made it extremely "logic-apparent".

A better counter-point would be to show me something that can only be done in C and not VB.Net.  But as is typical of this forum, proof is only expected from the "opinion" in the minority despite the actual truth.

A better counter-point would be to show me something that can only be done in C and not VB.Net.

An operating system kernel.

[koaftder]

A better counter-point would be to show me something that can only be done in C and not VB.Net.

Firmware for 8051 @ pic micros. Include an 8bit micro of your choosing. Bios code. Boot loader code. interrupt service routines.

But thats just things that have to be small and run on the hardware. Suppose i was writing a product, and one of the requirements was that it run on both a macintosh and windows. Ohno! Guess i cant pick .Net for that one.

Again, right f'n tool for the job. Your vb.net prong doesnt fit in every project hole, get over it.

[Louis Dias]

koaftder wrote:

Actually its all really easy to confuse. In fact, when all this .Net stuff came into being, microsofts markiting department plastered .Net all over everything. For a good 2 years nobody even knew what i all really ment. Lots of people still dont know or care. After years of it being around, most people have discovered that it's really .VendorLockin and .NotPortable and in 10-15 years it will most likely become .abondoned for something .new

Actually, unlike VB 6.0, Vb.Net's code files (source code) makes reverse-engineering a compiler for an alternate platform ALOT easier.  Every property involved in creating forms and controls is exposed in the source code.  It would just be a matter of creating [insert platform of choice] libraries functionally equivalent to MS's .Net Runtime libraries and a compiler.