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Re: Time to celebrate!
« Reply #659 from previous page: February 04, 2006, 08:11:28 PM »
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Hyperspeed wrote:

I'd like to get into programming on Amiga, would it be best to start with something like Blitz Basic 2 or go head first into Storm-C?

I've seen a few applications made with Blitz so I'm assuming it's not just for games (Didn't they make Worms and Super Skidmarks with it?).


Blitz does have functions for intuition stuff (IIRC one set for 1.x type GUI, and one for 2.x+ Gadtools).  You can write pretty much anything in Blitz.  There is also a module that will allow you use MUI.

BlackIRC is an application that comes to mind that was written in Blitz.

Yes both Worms and Skidmarks were written in Blitz, although IIRC Skidmarks also used Assembly in places.  It was Blitz (and the promise of being able to write a game as great as Worms) that got me into Amigas in the first place.

The main problem with Blitz though (at least as far as Blitz 2.1 - I haven't tried the AmiBlitz releases) is that isn't as stable as it could be.  I've seen many a guru in my time programming in Blitz.  The GUI stuff was particularly unstable.  They had this amazing little demo program that you could use to build GUI code visually, but it would crash like mad.

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I'm assuming you can only begin to learn Assembly when you're a certified recluse...


Hehe.  I thought that too, but when it actually came to it, it isn't as bad as I thought.  It requires a shift in your way of thinking.  That said I wouldn't like to have to write something substantial to it.

Big time respect to all those who used to write huge games and apps in it.
 

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Re: Time to celebrate!
« Reply #660 on: February 04, 2006, 10:51:48 PM »
There are 2x PD games on Aminet that, if you have a friend handy, are the most addictive Bomberman/Gauntlet style games around:

http://de.aminet.net/aminetbin/find?brutal+homicide

They're both coded in Assembly and how they managed this I'll never know because the complexity of the weapons, sounds and arenas is quite impressive.

When it comes to apps I've always thought TurboPrint 7 was badass and that was assembly. However I do appreciate that the more complex you get the more visual your programming language needs to be. I tried Visual Basic at a college years ago and liked the way GUIs could be built up like a flat-pack Ikea wardrobe.

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Re: Time to celebrate!
« Reply #661 on: February 04, 2006, 11:38:22 PM »
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koaftder wrote:

yup i was in that boat for quite a while. But msvc doesnt put together a skeleton for your make files. kDevelop does this nice and proper, and a whole lot more, so i've moved over to that for the linux platform.


I tried using Eclipse a couple of times for JAVA and PHP.  The problem I have with JAVA and C/C++ IDE's is that I just want to go in a do a "Hello world." and they make you spend a half hour configuring your project.  I just want to start typing and then hit Compile & Run!

...ah the beauty of VB...
 

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Re: Time to celebrate!
« Reply #662 on: February 05, 2006, 01:29:16 AM »
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I tried using Eclipse a couple of times for JAVA and PHP.  The problem I have with JAVA and C/C++ IDE's is that I just want to go in a do a "Hello world." and they make you spend a half hour configuring your project.  I just want to start typing and then hit Compile & Run!

...ah the beauty of VB...


That is really attributed to Visual Studio, not VB.  You can just as easily make and run a VC++, VC++ .NET, C#, etc. "Hello World" in about 30 seconds going through the same project wizard.
Time to move on.  Bye Amiga.org.  :(
 

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Re: Time to celebrate!
« Reply #663 on: February 05, 2006, 01:54:33 AM »
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I tried using Eclipse a couple of times for JAVA and PHP. The problem I have with JAVA and C/C++ IDE's is that I just want to go in a do a "Hello world." and they make you spend a half hour configuring your project. I just want to start typing and then hit Compile & Run!
...ah the beauty of VB...


File>New Project>C++ Tool>
Double click main.cpp
Type in your hello world.
Click compile&run.

...ah, the beauty of XCode...

Last time I checked it wasn't any more complicated in VC++, either.
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Re: Time to celebrate!
« Reply #664 on: February 05, 2006, 02:19:38 AM »
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AmiGR wrote:
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I tried using Eclipse a couple of times for JAVA and PHP. The problem I have with JAVA and C/C++ IDE's is that I just want to go in a do a "Hello world." and they make you spend a half hour configuring your project. I just want to start typing and then hit Compile & Run!
...ah the beauty of VB...


File>New Project>C++ Tool>
Double click main.cpp
Type in your hello world.
Click compile&run.

...ah, the beauty of XCode...

Last time I checked it wasn't any more complicated in VC++, either.


I don't own a Mac.
 

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Re: Time to celebrate!
« Reply #665 on: February 05, 2006, 02:23:26 AM »
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adolescent wrote:

That is really attributed to Visual Studio, not VB.  You can just as easily make and run a VC++, VC++ .NET, C#, etc. "Hello World" in about 30 seconds going through the same project wizard.


Other than setting up the project folder and creating the install package, I don't use a wizard for anything.  Once in a while I'll use one to create a simple data entry form with alot of fields from an SQL table...but it never remains a simple data entry form.
 

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Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #666 on: February 05, 2006, 04:38:34 AM »
Not until our internet 2.0 I guess :lol:
[color=008000]Pluto[/color]:Amiga4KD- 64040/16megs/1GB WD/PAR 2150/1942/WB3.0,3.1,3.9
[color=800080]Amanda[/color]:Amiga2KHD/A2620/8MegSupraRam2k/A2091/VLab
 

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Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #667 on: February 05, 2006, 07:11:56 AM »
Just a post to get off the last number.

(not that I am superstitious or anything)

How are you helping the Amiga community? :)
 

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Re: Time to celebrate!
« Reply #668 on: February 05, 2006, 10:53:44 AM »
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Developers has their favorite environment and it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks of it unless mandated to change it by a superior or sheer curiosity.

Yes, and the developers of C made their decisions based on what they felt was usable, not because they didn't have the memory to do it the way you like it.

If C sucks, why do so many languages do things the C way?  Visual Basic has an awful lot of C in it, if you know anything about the original BASIC language.  Almost all BASICs these days are not actually BASIC.

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Waccoon, you can run your mouth all you want. So because I had 2 classes in C/C++ some 15 years ago, I'm supposed to remember every nuance?

First of all, you should remember basic things like operators.  Second, you need to know the basics if you're going to say that something sucks.  Third, you're sitting in front of the world's largest electronic library, so it takes minimal effort to look-up things you've forgotten.

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Because they keep expecting me to change it as if I should worship the keyboard they type on.

More like, when you provide an example to show that C sucks, you use poorly formatted code.  Brackets on the wrong line, for example, and using brackets when you don't need them.  Your constant exaggeration and misrepresentation is what annoys people.  You cover it up by saying, "I only took 2 classes 15 years ago."

Well, rip out your old books and have another look.  But then, you don't need C, which is precisely why you need to complain about it.

Why do I complain about inconsistencies in PHP?  Because I need to maintain code written in PHP, and would like to see some improvements in the near future.  Why don't I go around telling people VB sucks?  Because while I have used it in the past, I don't need it today.
 

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Re: Time to celebrate!
« Reply #669 on: February 05, 2006, 01:17:16 PM »
I once asked on a thread how it would be possible to create a website with an active database linked to it, so that users could click on MUI style column sorters to arrange fields in order (like when you click price on eBay and they go in highest or cheapest order).

I was told AmiSQL can do this but I seem to have PHP in my mind.

What's the relation between PHP, Apache, SQL and CGI scripts? And what is https, XML and CSS?
 

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Re: Time to celebrate!
« Reply #670 on: February 05, 2006, 04:13:08 PM »
Gentlemen, I think I haved solved the problem.  I have irrefutable data that proves lou_dias is right.  With this shocking revelation in front of me, I am forced to concede that further studies in computer science are completely pointless since they are based in C++ at my institution.  I will henceforth send a letter to the dean recommending a wholesale switch to VB.NET.  For great justice!

I'm glad I could finally put this argument to rest.  Good day to all, and see you on the MSDN forums!
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Re: Time to celebrate!
« Reply #671 on: February 05, 2006, 04:49:58 PM »
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Gentlemen, I think I haved solved the problem.  I have irrefutable data that proves lou_dias is right.  With this shocking revelation in front of me, I am forced to concede that further studies in computer science are completely pointless since they are based in C++ at my institution.  I will henceforth send a letter to the dean recommending a wholesale switch to VB.NET.  For great justice!

I'm glad I could finally put this argument to rest.  Good day to all, and see you on the MSDN forums!


omg... This is terrible news! I'm going to have to port QEMU over to the 8052 micro so i'll be able to run xp and .net framework. I'll have to interface an ide harddrive to the 8052 and write some virtual memory routines....
 

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Re: Time to celebrate!
« Reply #672 on: February 05, 2006, 08:06:11 PM »
Sorry, you forgot the quotes which made quite a difference.

"VB sucks" vs. "C sucks"

Thank goodness, the future of computer science is now secure.  :-D
Time to move on.  Bye Amiga.org.  :(
 

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Re: Time to celebrate!
« Reply #673 on: February 05, 2006, 08:30:17 PM »
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Sorry, you forgot the quotes which made quite a difference.


I'm afraid I have to disagree.  Quotes are useless crap which take up space in source code files.  I suppose you'll be wanting to throw semicolons and braces in there too?  My implementation is much cleaner and easy to read, whereas your implementation leads to confusion.

My point remains uncontested!

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Re: Time to celebrate!
« Reply #674 on: February 05, 2006, 08:47:44 PM »
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adolescent wrote:
Sorry, you forgot the quotes which made quite a difference.


I'm afraid I have to disagree.  Quotes are useless crap which take up space in source code files.  I suppose you'll be wanting to throw semicolons and braces in there too?  My implementation is much cleaner and easy to read, whereas your implementation leads to confusion.

My point remains uncontested!

 :lol:


and you need that extra space in your source files too when half of your statements look like:

blah = system.IO.omg.wtf.somewhereinhereforsure.openfile