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Offline Louis DiasTopic starter

Re: Time to celebrate!
« Reply #539 from previous page: December 23, 2005, 01:04:55 AM »
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First - Happy Holidays!

Second: http://www.4colorrebellion.com/archives/2005/12/22/play-twlight-princess-with-revolution-controller/

Revolution will launch in Europe in Nov '06.
Legend of Zelda on Nov 2, 2006

it will be "Revolution-aware" per my prediction in March '05...in this thread...
"Oh the lack of a clear upgrade path..."  :roll:

This puts the Revolution launch in Japan or US at around August.  

Legend Of Zelda is still on track for a spring '06 release.


Wow, thats just great. No really. Does nintendo pay you to spam amiga.org with markiting bs for their new console?

I have a new idea for you, why not shoehorn amiga os 4 into the new controller it's self. Then you can walk into bars with a head mounted display, a nintendo and wave your arms around while telling girls your running aos4 on your controller. Just think of all the women you will attract.


What's your issue?
I put forth an idea almost a year ago about getting a modern Amiga OS into alot of people's hands via the gamecube CHEAPLY.  People knocked down the idea for various reasons.  Mostly pure ignorance.  Short of not having harddrive functionality (which has been hacked into the DVD drive interface...), I've shown it to be quite possible.

Why does that bother you?
Why should it bother you?

I've defended my idea.  I'm sticking with it.
As I said about 10 months ago:  work started now could carry over to Revolution.  Pessimism prevented that.  It's users rallying behind a platform creating a perceived demand that induces manufacturers to produce a product that they feel has a viable market.  Why do you think the A1 is even here to begin with?  The beauty of the GC is that you can work for a day's pay then go out and buy one.  The GC has 20M in global sales.  If Amiga and Hyperion had persued a Nintendo license, the Amiga platform would have gotten free publicity through the normal console channels and sales generated from people who are merely curious alone could have added up to 50,000 users.  That's something that will never happen with an Amy'05, A1, Pegasos, PowerVixxen, or "let's announce another piece of hardware called 'xyz' that will never actually materialize".

Everything I "predicted" has been proven to be true.
Is that what bothers you?

I had a good idea and everybody found it easy to bash it but now my idea, in retrospect, doesn't look too bad.

If you don't like the thread - don't post in it.  It's posts like yours that have quadrupled the page count.  You don't like the thread - don't read it and don't post in it.  If you haven't realised it yet, I'm not easily discouraged.

Merry Christmas.
 

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Re: It's a Gamecube, not a computer, you moron!
« Reply #540 on: December 23, 2005, 01:46:29 AM »
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What's your issue?


He spelled that out.  You're so off topic in your own off topic thread that you've turned it into a nonstop Nintendo advertisment.  Of course, that's probably because that's the only good news you have.

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I put forth an idea almost a year ago about getting a modern Amiga OS into alot of people's hands via the gamecube CHEAPLY.  People knocked down the idea for various reasons.  Mostly pure ignorance.  


Ignorance?  No, mostly fact.  Just because you refuse to deal with reality doesn't mean the rest of us have to agree your Nintendo fanboy rambling.

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Short of not having harddrive functionality (which has been hacked into the DVD drive interface...), I've shown it to be quite possible.


CZN does some crazy {bleep}.  Remember, it has USB too.  Still not available for the common user.

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I've defended my idea.  I'm sticking with it.
As I said about 10 months ago:  work started now could carry over to Revolution.  Pessimism prevented that.


No, you prevented that.  You're just one of those that talks the talk.  Or, you really know deep down that it's a stupid idea.    

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Everything I "predicted" has been proven to be true.
Is that what bothers you?


Just what did you predict?  That nothing would happen?  That some hardware barriers are impossible to overcome?  Wait, that wasn't you that was every other poster here.

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I had a good idea and everybody found it easy to bash it but now my idea, in retrospect, doesn't look too bad.


Nope.  It still looks bad.  Of course GC-Linux has gotten better over the past year.  It still doesn't make up for poor hardware.

Time to move on.  Bye Amiga.org.  :(
 

Offline Louis DiasTopic starter

Re: It's a Gamecube, not a computer, you moron!
« Reply #541 on: December 23, 2005, 02:57:00 AM »
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lou_dias wrote:

What's your issue?


He spelled that out.  You're so off topic in your own off topic thread that you've turned it into a nonstop Nintendo advertisment.  Of course, that's probably because that's the only good news you have.


No - people wanted an upgrade path to better hardware.  Revolution is that hardware - as I said 9 months ago.

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I put forth an idea almost a year ago about getting a modern Amiga OS into alot of people's hands via the gamecube CHEAPLY.  People knocked down the idea for various reasons.  Mostly pure ignorance.  


Ignorance?  No, mostly fact.  Just because you refuse to deal with reality doesn't mean the rest of us have to agree your Nintendo fanboy rambling.


You make a list of what your arguments are - just the arguments, not your trollish remarks - and I'll review them and debate them.

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CZN does some crazy {bleep}.  Remember, it has USB too.  Still not available for the common user.


http://www.gcloader.com
usb functionality coming soon...

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I've defended my idea.  I'm sticking with it.
As I said about 10 months ago:  work started now could carry over to Revolution.  Pessimism prevented that.


No, you prevented that.  You're just one of those that talks the talk.  Or, you really know deep down that it's a stupid idea.


right - I prevented it, not the trollish unfounded remarks like "lack of binary compatibility" and "it's not a real PPC chip" b.s. you've spouted...

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Everything I "predicted" has been proven to be true.
Is that what bothers you?


Just what did you predict?  That nothing would happen?  That some hardware barriers are impossible to overcome?  Wait, that wasn't you that was every other poster here.


see page 5 of this thread a post by me dated 3/30 where I predicted a major platform release would take advantage of Revolution hardware - can you say Legend Of Zelda:Twilight Princess?  And that was to prove the compatibility of the api between programming the GC and checking if Revolution hardware was present and taking advantage of it.  Point proven.

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I had a good idea and everybody found it easy to bash it but now my idea, in retrospect, doesn't look too bad.


Nope.  It still looks bad.  Of course GC-Linux has gotten better over the past year.  It still doesn't make up for poor hardware.


Whatever.  Like I said a GC port is a stepping stone to an even better Revolution port.  Revolution hardware will run a circle around an A1 with a G4.  The mouse and be done with the Rev. controller.  It has USB 2.0 ports, SD memeory card ports and full DVD9 support as well as about triple the memory of the GC.  But you'll comeback and say something trollish like "that's not good enough" and that's all you can do is spout negativity.  Oh and don't expect Revolution to be any more than $199.  Probably less.  Hence that still qualifies it as a "potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP".

You can't even say that the CPU isn't going to be a good desktop cpu.  It has been proven that the GC's cpu is just a G3 FX with a faster bus 2 32 bit integer units instead on 1 64 bit, and 37 SIMD instructions added.  Rev's cpu is going to be similar but faster and with more cache.
 

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Re: It's a Gamecube, not a computer, you moron!
« Reply #542 on: December 23, 2005, 03:40:31 AM »
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lou_dias wrote:

What's your issue?


He spelled that out.  You're so off topic in your own off topic thread that you've turned it into a nonstop Nintendo advertisment.  Of course, that's probably because that's the only good news you have.


No - people wanted an upgrade path to better hardware.  Revolution is that hardware - as I said 9 months ago.


And how does and announcement about Zelda release date relate then?

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right - I prevented it, not the trollish unfounded remarks like "lack of binary compatibility" and "it's not a real PPC chip" b.s. you've spouted...


I never said either of those things.  If you're going to accuse me of something, at least get the quotes correct.  After all, it was you that said the Internet ran on 10Mbps.

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Everything I "predicted" has been proven to be true.
Is that what bothers you?


Just what did you predict?  That nothing would happen?  That some hardware barriers are impossible to overcome?  Wait, that wasn't you that was every other poster here.


see page 5 of this thread a post by me dated 3/30 where I predicted a major platform release would take advantage of Revolution hardware - can you say Legend Of Zelda:Twilight Princess?  And that was to prove the compatibility of the api between programming the GC and checking if Revolution hardware was present and taking advantage of it.  Point proven.


Again, I don't see how Zelda has anything to do with putting AOS4 on a game system.

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Whatever.  Like I said a GC port is a stepping stone to an even better Revolution port.  Revolution hardware will run a circle around an A1 with a G4.  The mouse and be done with the Rev. controller.  It has USB 2.0 ports, SD memeory card ports and full DVD9 support as well as about triple the memory of the GC.  But you'll comeback and say something trollish like "that's not good enough" and that's all you can do is spout negativity.  Oh and don't expect Revolution to be any more than $199.  Probably less.  Hence that still qualifies it as a "potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP".


Actually, it has none of these things because it doesn't exist.  I could say the same about the new dual processor, dual core, G5 based AmigaTwo which will retail for under $199.  But, then that would be speculation right?

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You can't even say that the CPU isn't going to be a good desktop cpu.  It has been proven that the GC's cpu is just a G3 FX with a faster bus 2 32 bit integer units instead on 1 64 bit, and 37 SIMD instructions added.  Rev's cpu is going to be similar but faster and with more cache.


Of course, I can't say that the chip is a good desktop CPU.  Not until it exists.  
Time to move on.  Bye Amiga.org.  :(
 

Offline Louis DiasTopic starter

Re: It's official, lou is a monkey
« Reply #543 on: December 23, 2005, 03:58:35 AM »
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And how does and announcement about Zelda release date relate then?


If there was no definite release date, then in your trollish eyes "it doesn't exist" - suprise! It exists.

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right - I prevented it, not the trollish unfounded remarks like "lack of binary compatibility" and "it's not a real PPC chip" b.s. you've spouted...


I never said either of those things.  If you're going to accuse me of something, at least get the quotes correct.  After all, it was you that said the Internet ran on 10Mbps.


As far as I'm concerned, since my cable company's internet connection tops out a 6Mbps, that's all that's useable to me and even then no one gets anywhere near those speeds from a single connection.  The internet could run at 100000000000000000000000000Mbps, but if I can only access it at 650KB/s what good is that to me?

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Just what did you predict?  That nothing would happen?  That some hardware barriers are impossible to overcome?  Wait, that wasn't you that was every other poster here.


see page 5 of this thread a post by me dated 3/30 where I predicted a major platform release would take advantage of Revolution hardware - can you say Legend Of Zelda:Twilight Princess?  And that was to prove the compatibility of the api between programming the GC and checking if Revolution hardware was present and taking advantage of it.  Point proven.


Again, I don't see how Zelda has anything to do with putting AOS4 on a game system.


yes - typical trollish comeback of ignoring why the statement was made to begin with even though the answer is staring the troll in the face as he writes his comeback...

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Whatever.  Like I said a GC port is a stepping stone to an even better Revolution port.  Revolution hardware will run a circle around an A1 with a G4.  The mouse and be done with the Rev. controller.  It has USB 2.0 ports, SD memeory card ports and full DVD9 support as well as about triple the memory of the GC.  But you'll comeback and say something trollish like "that's not good enough" and that's all you can do is spout negativity.  Oh and don't expect Revolution to be any more than $199.  Probably less.  Hence that still qualifies it as a "potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP".


Actually, it has none of these things because it doesn't exist.  I could say the same about the new dual processor, dual core, G5 based AmigaTwo which will retail for under $199.  But, then that would be speculation right?


You know what - you don't exist.  I've never seen you.  So you can't possibly exist.  Just like when a tree falls in the forest, it doesn't make a sound because no one was there to hear it.

I've never seen a troll either...but I sure do read alot of what they write...

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You can't even say that the CPU isn't going to be a good desktop cpu.  It has been proven that the GC's cpu is just a G3 FX with a faster bus 2 32 bit integer units instead on 1 64 bit, and 37 SIMD instructions added.  Rev's cpu is going to be similar but faster and with more cache.


Of course, I can't say that the chip is a good desktop CPU.  Not until it exists.  


Now if only this thread wouldn't exist.  Then how would you continue existing as a troll that doesn't exist?
 

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Re: It's official, lou is a monkey
« Reply #544 on: December 23, 2005, 04:57:16 AM »
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Now if only this thread wouldn't exist.  Then how would you continue existing as a troll that doesn't exist?


We can all wish.   :lol:
Time to move on.  Bye Amiga.org.  :(
 

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Re: Time to celebrate!
« Reply #545 on: December 23, 2005, 05:53:23 AM »
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What's your issue?
I put forth an idea almost a year ago about getting a modern Amiga OS into alot of people's hands via the gamecube CHEAPLY.  People knocked down the idea for various reasons.  Mostly pure ignorance.  Short of not having harddrive functionality (which has been hacked into the DVD drive interface...), I've shown it to be quite possible.


And many people responded that they wouldnt bother with it no matter how cheap it is. As an idea its so rotten one of the first posts in this thread accused you of sniffing glue.

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Why does that bother you?
Why should it bother you?


It doesnt bother me, i dont really care

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I've defended my idea.  I'm sticking with it.
As I said about 10 months ago:  work started now could carry over to Revolution.  Pessimism prevented that.  It's users rallying behind a platform creating a perceived demand that induces manufacturers to produce a product that they feel has a viable market.


Thats why your idea sucks. People think its retarded and thats why its not going to happen


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Why do you think the A1 is even here to begin with?  The beauty of the GC is that you can work for a day's pay then go out and buy one.


And then i work another day or two to buy all the extra crap to make it useable.

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 The GC has 20M in global sales.  If Amiga and Hyperion had persued a Nintendo license, the Amiga platform would have gotten free publicity through the normal console channels and sales generated from people who are merely curious alone could have added up to 50,000 users.  That's something that will never happen with an Amy'05, A1, Pegasos, PowerVixxen, or "let's announce another piece of hardware called 'xyz' that will never actually materialize".


Yea, an os on a game console, that would attract a lot of users, it sure worked well for windows CE on the dreamcast. You couldnt give away aos4 for gamecube, nobody would use it. People dont want a brain dammaged computer interfaced to their tv.

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Everything I "predicted" has been proven to be true.
Is that what bothers you?


Predicted what? That the new controller was gonna be wierd? That the new proc was going to be a little faster? That the new nintendo would play some games from the old one?

Whooptie freaking do. You are a robot who parrots bs from nintendo fanboy websites onto amiga.org. I'm suppried there isnt a news post about you on http://pulp.wrongpla.net/news/

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I had a good idea and everybody found it easy to bash it but now my idea, in retrospect, doesn't look too bad.


It's not that people are mean and like to trash good ideas. The reality of it is that your idea sucks. It doesnt help that in the beginning you were pimping the idea around like it's the next evolution in the amiga line of computers.

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If you don't like the thread - don't post in it.  It's posts like yours that have quadrupled the page count.  You don't like the thread - don't read it and don't post in it.  If you haven't realised it yet, I'm not easily discouraged.

Merry Christmas.


This thread is great, so i'll continue to post. How else would i get insite into the exciting world of un released nintendo consoles? I bet you squirt a few wads in your pants every time you see this thread at the top of the heap.

And a merry christmas to you too!
 

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Re: Time to celebrate!
« Reply #546 on: December 23, 2005, 04:12:35 PM »
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This thread is great, so i'll continue to post. How else would i get insite into the exciting world of un released nintendo consoles? I bet you squirt a few wads in your pants every time you see this thread at the top of the heap.


With comments like that, I now realize I'm not even talking to an adult.  Maybe it's you that feels that way because you then come here and post to make sure it stays at the top.

You and the same 2 or 3 people think it's a bad idea.  Through out this thread, more users than that have posted that they would like to see it happen.  But they don't continue to post because they don't want to get involved in the childish trolling that's going on here.
 

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Re: Time to celebrate!
« Reply #547 on: December 23, 2005, 06:03:50 PM »
I can't believe this thread is still alive?  Maybe you boys should take it outside or give it please a merciful burial....GC....RIP
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Re: Time to celebrate!
« Reply #548 on: December 23, 2005, 08:01:13 PM »
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koaftder wrote:

This thread is great, so i'll continue to post. How else would i get insite into the exciting world of un released nintendo consoles? I bet you squirt a few wads in your pants every time you see this thread at the top of the heap.


With comments like that, I now realize I'm not even talking to an adult.  Maybe it's you that feels that way because you then come here and post to make sure it stays at the top.

You and the same 2 or 3 people think it's a bad idea.  Through out this thread, more users than that have posted that they would like to see it happen.  But they don't continue to post because they don't want to get involved in the childish trolling that's going on here.


Yea, call me a child and then a troll, ignore all the other stuff you cant own up to or explain your position on. Typical LouDias post. Youve got a lot of nerve calling somebody else a troll.

You are always the last person to post in this thread, then the thread dies. You resurrect it days later with another post. The bump post you spew out is of course designed to get somebody else to post a wtf message, and then you call them a troll, hence my comment about you blowing a wad in your pants every time this thread ends up at the top of the list.

Trolling on message boards is a sign that there is something wrong with ones personal life. People troll because they are starving for attention, and you are a person who is very much in need of some attention. If i were you i would take some time for reflection this new years and see what could be done to make your life a happier existance. Perhaps if you put down the controller for a little while and persued some other activities.

in the beginning i dont think you were trolling, after a few months of this thread it was obvious that you were being a troll.

Your posts started off "Hey, check out this idea, GC is the future of amiga" People started stating that this idea wasnt very good.

Your next series of posts you basically nitpicked with people about basic programming concepts and hardware issues. Many posts from several people informed you that "No, the hardware works this way", or "This isnt an issue when it comes to software development", "stuff doesnt work like that, it works like this", and all the while you proceed to argue about it with people who know far more about the subject than you do.

The rest of your posts can be summed up as the following: "Advertisements for nintendo products", "Calling people trolls", "Reposting specs about unreleased hardware from nintendo websites", "Filler posts and reposts to keep the thread bumped up on the list every few days".

Cmon, you know what your doing here, just own up to it.
 

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Re: Time to celebrate!
« Reply #549 on: December 23, 2005, 08:04:50 PM »
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Argus wrote:
I can't believe this thread is still alive?  Maybe you boys should take it outside or give it please a merciful burial....GC....RIP


What?! I love this thread!  It reminds me of some of the great pie-in-the-sky threads from USENET amiga newsgroups from back in the day!  

I say: keep on chugging you crazy thread!
Back away from the EU-SSR!
 

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Re: Time to celebrate!
« Reply #550 on: December 23, 2005, 08:58:00 PM »
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Yea, call me a child and then a troll, ignore all the other stuff you cant own up to or explain your position on. Typical LouDias post. Youve got a lot of nerve calling somebody else a troll.

You are always the last person to post in this thread, then the thread dies. You resurrect it days later with another post. The bump post you spew out is of course designed to get somebody else to post a wtf message, and then you call them a troll, hence my comment about you blowing a wad in your pants every time this thread ends up at the top of the list.
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i hate to say it LouDias but i think koaftder is quite right about this

Dont get me wrong i understand your interest in nintendo, I too like nintedo but its not designed for anny Os. The nintendo is a toy for playing games.  What more can you actualy say in this thread that is gonna inspire a OS4 port nothing (i dont think it could sucseed annyway nomather what) You have been going on and on and on about why the GC is suited for os4 people here have told you about the reality but you only deny it and start all over again and tell them that it will work  :lol: Then you change you subject to the Revolution and say they have specs etc. Trust me when i say this !!IT WILL NEVER BE DONE!!
You are always denying importent hardware facts and ignoring them then you start to get on people`s nerves (you got your will) a perfect pray for a hungry troll like you seem to be. The way i find it after reading trugh this entire thread is that you are the one acting like a child stubburn as F**K not willing to addmit defeat over your silly nintendo idea.

Adonay :-D
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Re: Time to celebrate!
« Reply #551 on: December 23, 2005, 10:05:53 PM »
How can I be accused of going OT with Revolution when from the start I said it IS THE UPGRADE PATH.

Showing how a Gamecube game can take advantage of Revolution hardware because the systems are compatible like that - is relevant.  Instead I am called a troll in my own thread for staying on the topic I started.  That ALMOST MAKES SENSE - NOT!

I said from the begining that work done porting to the GC would carry over to Revolution.

Nintendo has announced that Revolutions will have SD memory ports and USB 2.0 port - so it must not be true then because I am a troll.

GCC PPC compilers with additions for the 37 SIMD instructions are used to compile homebrew GC code, so much for "lack of binary compatibility" and "not being a real PPC chip" - but I'm a troll.

Developers have leaked that Revolution will have atleast 96MB of memory (still more than enough to run OS4) - but I'm a troll.  

Nintendo has said that Revolution will play standard and dual-layer DVD's (so much for "non-standard media compatibility"), the GC's POT can also be adjusted to read DVD-R/RW's - but I'm a troll.

You almost have me convinced - not.  But I'm sure you'll keep trying.
 

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Re: Time to celebrate!
« Reply #552 on: December 24, 2005, 01:22:49 AM »
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 Instead I am called a troll in my own thread for staying on the topic I started. That ALMOST MAKES SENSE - NOT!


You have done anything but stay on topic for almost the entire duration of this thread. You didnt bring this thread into existance with the intent to share your idea and have reasonable dialog about the technical issues of bringing your concept into something tangible. Instead youve created a soapbox with which you use to cram the idea down everybodys throat, and you have chosen to ignore the technical advise that many experienced hardware and software developers have offered.

This site is a great resource where one can have meaningful discussion with seasoned software and hardware developers. Why on earth did you decide to troll instead of leveraging this to increase your skill set?

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I said from the begining that work done porting to the GC would carry over to Revolution


No you didnt. You mentioned that for the first time on 2005/3/29. You began the thread on 2005/1/31. That was the 88th message in the thread.

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lou_dias lists a pile of specs for revolution


So what? No matter what angle you look at this, you still have a sub standard machine when it comes to a general purpose computing platform. It seems cheap when looking at it on the surface, but in reality it's not a good deal when applied as a general purpose machine. For 150 dollars, you can get a PC with way better specs. It will come with a harddrive, and lots more memory, and be cabable of driving a high resolution monitor. You will get a machine thats really good at general purpose stuff. Obviously  the gaming experience will suck, thats the trade off.

Not only have you been proposing a cruddy machine, your proposing to put an obselete operating system on that substandard machine. AOS4 brings nothing to the table. I wont go into the reasons why AOS4 is behind the times, the topic has been beat to death worse than this one.

Something like 50% of the american population has a computer in their house. Pretty much everybody who wants a machine has already gone out and bought one. There are so many second hand machines floating around and easy to get ones hands on that even the poorest of people here often have a machine. We are at a point where price of hardware is so low, everybody can have one if they so choose.

Lets condense your idea:

AOS4 on gamecube is a substandard machine with a substandard OS which would be introduced to a saturated market full of heavily branded customers.

This is a terrible business proposal, which virtually guarantees failure. Thats why this is never going to happen.

Amiga is worth nothing more than a logo, fond memories and possibly a joystick product. AOS4 may find some nich market to exploit though, and i hope it is successful. Maybe it's developer base could grow and eventually elevate its position from obslesence. It certainly wont find a market in the sphere of gamecube.

Dennis didnt come to a.org and spam about how great spartan fpgas were the bomb and the future of retro amiga products. He didnt Cram anything down anybodys throat, he didnt make stupid comments about stuff he was unfamiliar with. He just hunkered down, did his research and set out to develop his idea into something real.

You should hit the books, learn c/c++/assembler and help jlf65 port aros to GC if thats your goal. You dont need us to validate your project. Just do it, and you'll get positive feedback and a virtual pat on the back. It's the only way to elevate your self from the position of troll.

The fact that a thread such as this, with over 12,000 views and 500 comments can persist for an entire year, filled with tripe and not disrupt the continuity of the rest of the site or the users is a tribute to how easy going and well manered the user base here is.

/me steps off his soapbox and patiently waits for the next lou_dias double post.
 

Offline Louis DiasTopic starter

Re: Time to celebrate!
« Reply #553 on: December 24, 2005, 07:47:08 AM »
Here's where your point mixes with mine:

The A1 was a failure.  Why?  Because it offered so little for so much money.  Yeah the GC offer less, but it costs peanuts.  No {bleep} everybody's moved on - do you think I'm posting here on an Amiga - no, I am here with a PC.

I've stated in other "gaming" threads that the Wintel PC is the best gaming platform...and for unique, fun, pick up and play games, I have my GC.  So what!

The Amiga platform is dead in the water.  Without an inexpensive piece of hardware that anyone can walk down the street and buy as a foundation for increasing the userbase/reviving the platform, the only place the Amiga platform can go is down to NOTHING.

OS4's only chance is to become available on easily available hardware platforms.

Read through this thread.  I've stated that Hyperion should release a licensed product with some retro games available as a sort of "Amiga Lives" retro pack.  I'm all about helping the platform gain popularity.  I don't care if some people feel it's technically impossible because the only ones who can honestly answer that question is Hans, Ben and company.  For that matter, everything on the "official OS4 website" leads one to believe that a less-capable platform than the GC is a possible market for OS4.

All the "experts" that have said it can't be done are none of the people actually responsible for doing it.

I already know C and C++.  Guess what - C/C++ sucks ass.  With compiler technology as advanced as it is -  C should die.  People {bleep} on VB6 but VB6 gets converted to C then compiled on Windows.  I've also professionally used VFP(Visual Fox Pro).  VFP is great for data manipulation from various sources.  It's interpreted.  Now I use VB.net.  Guess what - that's interpretted too.  Everybody used to {bleep} on VFP for being interpretted.  Now cpu's are so powerful that the added benifits of an interpretted language outweigh a compiled language for business apps.  Who gives a {bleep}.

Here's the bottom line:  I don't give a rat's arse what you non-OS4 developers think is the reason why OS4 shouldn't be on the GC.  All I know is that if it was on the GC, more people would have the oportunity to experience/relive the Amiga platform than are doing so now.

I'm about getting the platform into people's living rooms and not about discussing why feature xyz is not possible on platform abc for market kmnlop.  OS4 needs to be accessible to everyone, not just Amiga-fanboys who dished out $1000 for an overpriced and out dated A1.  That's the only way this platform will gain any ground.

I've already done my part in helping JLF65 in porting AROS to the GC by supplying him with an SD Gecko at basically cost.  He's received it and has already installed a qoob Pro chip in his GC and will start work on that this week.   I've offered an SD Gecko in this thread to any Amiga developer intested in the GC platform at about cost.  My offer still stands.  I'm not an OS coder.  I'm a business-app coder.  But I know enough to know when someone is pulling my leg.  "Binary compatibility" comes to mind.

AROS will fit in the qoob chip's flashram and boot in a couple of seconds.  I have CubeDOOM (6.25 MB shareware level) running in 8 seconds from an SD card on the GC.  I have done it myself, so this is not a repost from some "speculation" website.  Revolution will be "soft-mod" exploited through it's GC compatibility.  This means that PPC-AROS will be running on a platform better than the Pegasus and A1 in a short time after Revolution is released.  You can piss and moan about "memory requirements" all you want but I haven't seen a non-gaming app that needs more than 24MB.  Multi-tasking is a feature, not a requirement.  Even then, 96MB is still plenty.

Go ahead - reply with another pessimistic view.  It's pessimism that leads to stagnation.  Optimism leads to innovation.

Now I could be just content with Linux on GC.  But I'm not.  Linux sucks.  There's Gentoo, Debian, SUSE, Red Hat, Mandrake, ... each requiring their own tweaks to make certains things compatible with others.  That sucks.

When I upgraded my CD32 with an SX-1 and a 2.5" HD with OS 3.1, I could run all A1200 and 99% of all A500 software.  That's the beauty of standardizing on an OS platform.  Linux is not standardized.  Linux will never be a mainstream OS like Amiga could have been/was.  It's just a matter of time before the Mac dies a slow death now that Apple has gone Intel.  Apple will be reduced to an iPod manufacturer.  Mac OS is a pig nowadays.  When 256MB is not enough to power a Mac-Mini at a descent speed, Apple has made a faux-pas.

Within the next month, I'll be writing PocketPC software at work.  It's interpretted.  Windows has already won.  I don't care.  I want to see Amiga in places I would never expect.  Otherwise, it's useless.
 

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Re: Time to celebrate!
« Reply #554 on: December 24, 2005, 08:14:09 AM »
I'd like to chime in with this tidbit...

If you're going to base a "new Amiga" around a GameCube, why not be even smarter and base it around an XBox? I mean, seriously, a GC is a kid's toy. An XBox is actually expandable (everyone I know here already has a 100GB HD, hardmods, new Xconsole, etc), it's actually faster, actually supports most PC perepherials, is actually already running 50 times the stuff the GC is -- including WinUAE (gosh you mean an Amiga already runs very well on the XBox?), Linux, etc. -- and is not some stupid little cube that looks like a girl's makeup container.

Them's my two cents.

CG Amiga, that's one the most amusing thing's I've heard since people were saying that paying $1650.00 for non-backwards compatible machine worth $650.00 was the next best thing for an Amiga...
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