potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP

[Louis Dias]

has anyone seen the developer leaked stats on
http://revolution.ign.com ?

Revolution is a direct upgrade for the GC with supposedly 100% backwards HARDWARE compatibility.

It will have about 96MB of main T1-RAM and double the clockspeed of the GC.  I wonder if it is getting an 800MHz Gekko or and 800Mhz G5...  Also the Flipper is updated to double the clock rate (400Mhz and is to incorporate Radeon technology)....

If there connect the external devices that same way (EXI bus) but with a faster bus...  It seems that all GC "hacks" may be compatible with Revolution.  Worst cast is that the video frame buffer driver might have to be rewritten.

Thanks to USB 2.0 ports and direct SD card compatibility and built-in wi-fi, I may be running Linux on the Revolution before anyone runs it on the 360.

Lest we not forget the possible $99-150 price point.
Now that's what I call a
"potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP"
 :-D

Let me remind people that VERY EARLY on in this thread, I stated that any development work done getting AOS4 onto the GC could carry over to Revolution. :rtfm:

I hate to say - "I told you so!"

No I lied.
:smack:
I am happy to say "I told you so!"  :lol:
:laughing:
 :-P

:flame:

[adolescent]

lou_dias wrote:

Let me remind people that VERY EARLY on in this thread, I stated that any development work done getting AOS4 onto the GC could carry over to Revolution. :rtfm:

Wow!  So all the OS4 development work that hasn't been done on Gamecube could carry over and not be done on the Revolution either!  

That's quite a prediction.  :crazy:

[Louis Dias]

adolescent wrote:

lou_dias wrote:

Let me remind people that VERY EARLY on in this thread, I stated that any development work done getting AOS4 onto the GC could carry over to Revolution. :rtfm:

Wow!  So all the OS4 development work that hasn't been done on Gamecube could carry over and not be done on the Revolution either!  

That's quite a prediction.  :crazy:

Hey, where's that 256MB cell phone? :roll:

[adolescent]

lou_dias wrote:

Hey, where's that 256MB cell phone? :roll:

Edit:  Never mind, I went back and re-read your posts to see what you are talking about.

I misread it as 26MB (since you were comparing a cell phone to the GCN).  Where did the 256MB number come from anyway?  I've always said that the RAM and a lack of local storage (among other things) are what will keep the GCN from being a real computer.

[Louis Dias]

that number came from the implied memory requirements of any serious modern OS that you say rules out the GC...

how about 96MB?  That's what Revolution is supposedly coming with.

[koaftder]

bloodline wrote:

koaftder wrote:

Amiga wont live unless it opens up, and thats not likely to happen. Aros is going about things the wrong way by staying in the stonage.

Suck my what?

I'll take it your commenting about the aros statement.

I like aros, now that gcc runs on it, it's been much much more useable for what i do.

My gripe with aros is the lack of memory protection and other things. I really would like to see aros on the L4 kernel.

[Louis Dias]

koaftder wrote:

bloodline wrote:

koaftder wrote:

Amiga wont live unless it opens up, and thats not likely to happen. Aros is going about things the wrong way by staying in the stonage.

Suck my what?

I'll take it your commenting about the aros statement.

I like aros, now that gcc runs on it, it's been much much more useable for what i do.

My gripe with aros is the lack of memory protection and other things. I really would like to see aros on the L4 kernel.

LOL, gcc's been running on GC-Linux for some time now.  But since it's Linux I guess that doesn't count.  On a brighter note, there is some interest in  GC-AROS.

[koaftder]

lou_dias wrote:

koaftder wrote:

bloodline wrote:

koaftder wrote:

Amiga wont live unless it opens up, and thats not likely to happen. Aros is going about things the wrong way by staying in the stonage.

Suck my what?

I'll take it your commenting about the aros statement.

I like aros, now that gcc runs on it, it's been much much more useable for what i do.

My gripe with aros is the lack of memory protection and other things. I really would like to see aros on the L4 kernel.

LOL, gcc's been running on GC-Linux for some time now.  But since it's Linux I guess that doesn't count.  On a brighter note, there is some interest in  GC-AROS.

I run linux on several machines, the one i use most is a mac mini with ubuntu. I could run linux on my gamecube, but it doesnt make sense to do so ( for me anyway ) as i have some 2 dozen machines laying around ( check out http://koft.net/pix/setup.jpg , see what i mean?)

If i went to the boss and suggested buying some 300 dollars worth of kit to get a gamecube running linux so i could do some development work, he would think i started smoking crack.

when gcc was finally working on aros, it was good news. It made some headlines and attracted some attention to the aros project, which was a good thing.

[adonay]

check out http://koft.net/pix/setup.jpg

WOW do you get time to use 10% of the computers i have 4 boxes running daily but only use about 2 havent got time for more

adonay :-D

[koaftder]

adonay wrote:

check out http://koft.net/pix/setup.jpg

WOW do you get time to use 10% of the computers i have 4 boxes running daily but only use about 2 havent got time for more

adonay :-D

There are only 2 machines i regulary interact with, the PC with the 4 monitors and the small powerbook. The powerbook is mostly for email and web surfing. I write all my stuff on the pc.

One machine is my firewall, running freebsd. Some of the macs are for apache/php/mysql development, others are for testing mac applications i'm writing. I got another pc running w2k3, it's for asp development.

Another machine is my fileserver. One machine for web proxy, another for my IDS.

I switch back and forth between windows/osx/linux/bsd all day long for one thing or another. Each platform has it's strengths and weakness.

[Fats]

My gripe with aros is the lack of memory protection and other things. I really would like to see aros on the L4 kernel.

AROS does run on linux but also without memory protection between the programs. Unfortunately getting memory protection under AROS involves much more then porting to some kernel that provides memory protection. At the moment programs have to be able to see each other memory.

Staf.

[bloodline]

koaftder wrote:

bloodline wrote:

koaftder wrote:

Amiga wont live unless it opens up, and thats not likely to happen. Aros is going about things the wrong way by staying in the stonage.

Suck my what?

I'll take it your commenting about the aros statement.

I like aros, now that gcc runs on it, it's been much much more useable for what i do.

My gripe with aros is the lack of memory protection and other things. I really would like to see aros on the L4 kernel.

As Staf has already ponted out that adding MP to AROS would break the API... AmigaOS was simply never designed to support it...

I would also like to see AROS on L4... but only because I rather like the L4 kernel design... a bit like Plan9 and Mach!

[MskoDestny]

I think the best solution at this point would be to write new system calls that are MP safe and then use the MMU to catch direct writes and translate them into the newer system calls. It would be kind of slow, but given the kind of hardware older Amiga programs were designed to run on, I don't see this being a big problem.

It would be a lot work, but it's the only way AROS can have it's cake and eat it too.

[bloodline]

MskoDestny wrote:
I think the best solution at this point would be to write new system calls that are MP safe and then use the MMU to catch direct writes and translate them into the newer system calls. It would be kind of slow, but given the kind of hardware older Amiga programs were designed to run on, I don't see this being a big problem.

It would be a lot work, but it's the only way AROS can have it's cake and eat it too.

The best solution is to run nonMP safe apps in a sandbox. Then Expose an new API... (L4?) for modern apps.

[Hattig]

Quite disappointing specifications for the Revolution there. Still, if it means a cheap console ($149) instead of a $299 one... it could sell quite well being better than the XBox.

96MB isn't a lot of memory however. However when you are only targetting standard definition games you cut the texture memory to a quarter ... 256MB of textures becomes 64MB. It'll probably cut it for games, but it isn't enough for a standard OS + modern applications.

If Nintendo sells them for a profit from the first day, maybe they won't care about people hacking them either. Maybe Linux will be running on it within weeks of release.

You would have thought that they'd have done better than doubling the clock speed in 5 years though! Misinformation? The original clockspeed was 485MHz. Will it really be 970MHz or less? Maybe it'll have more cache...

[Louis Dias]

They claim that with the extra cache, clock speed and bus speed that exaclty 2x realworld performance is possible.

I think they went as faster as they could go without requiring a fan on the cpu.  To quite Iwata "small, effiecent and quiet".

GC multiplied by 2.5 (benchmark) is not a bad thing at all.  Add to that the 2 UBB 2.0 ports and built-in wireless capability.

Really, graphics whores and speed freaks can diss it all they want but Revolution is going to be the easiest to hack and also the easiest for real developers to code for.

Nintendo literally just upgraded the GC to create Revolution.  GC backwards compatability is in the hardware thru the natural virtue of the hardware upgrades.  I bet the GPU comes with a PPU instead of a DSP built-in and 32MB of ARAM instead of 16MB.  That PPU will be used for AI and physics letting the rest of the system do other things.  I can't believe they will leave the texture cache at 3MB...  I think that's just the cpu upgraded version of the devkit that was quoting that number.

In the end, Revolution will still have that awesome controller to reel in the masses.  And I believe they will come.

Also, Nintendo has some graphics patents up it's sleeve:
http://nintendo-revolution.blogspot.com/2005/12/is-displacement-mapping-last-secret.html