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Offline Louis DiasTopic starter

Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #299 on: August 31, 2005, 04:17:32 AM »
Update!

I should have my qoob Pro and case mod in a day or 2.

Nice article: http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2004/04/01/warp_pipe.html

verifies whay I said about the 'Cube's rudimentary bios and being very open like programming a c64/128 or Amiga and yes they even mention Amiga in the article.

they've come a long way

how to install Linux, SNES9X, mfe, network drives: http://modthatcube.pxn-os.com/content/linux/index.html

realworld review of said modchip:
http://iso420.pxn-os.com/ngc/qoobprov1/index.htm

debunks some myths like the 10 MBit limit and 1.4GB limit on DVDs
 

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Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #300 on: August 31, 2005, 04:33:53 AM »
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debunks some myths like the 10 MBit limit and 1.4GB limit on DVDs


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The great part about this is the speed as I successfully backed up an image with an average of 650 K/B per second. Another big {bleep} you to all the people that said the Cube could only go at 10MBPS no matter if you used PSO or not.


This myth?  Hate to break it to this guy, but 650KB/s is less than 10Mb/s speeds.  

The facts are that the bus is limited to 27Mb/s and it's shared with other components.  You'll never be able to get 100Mb/s transmissions on the GCN.
Time to move on.  Bye Amiga.org.  :(
 

Offline Louis DiasTopic starter

Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #301 on: August 31, 2005, 11:09:40 AM »
yeah my math made is come out to 5.2Mb/s but I've never dowloaded anything off the internet faster than that either.

On a forum, an I forget which one, but I believe I've posted it before, some user has configured it to run much higher between the PC and the GC.

Anyway, even if it was limited to 10Mb/s, 1.2 Megabytes per second is about a 8 speed CDROM and at 27Mb/s it's a 24 speed, which as I've stated before is fast enough to run networked drives from and with much less average seek time (hd vs. cdrom).

There is also a patch that allows the GC gameport connected ps/2 keyboards to work.  Hopefully it will become a standard part of the linux build.  I'm sure with a hair more of effort, a ps/2 mouse driver could be written.

This is really a NON-ISSUE unless you want to stream high-res video to the GC.
 

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Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #302 on: August 31, 2005, 05:44:15 PM »
The peak I've seen using UDP was about ~1600KB/s (~900KB/s with TCP) which has the hardware configured for 100MB/s but like I said, you can't get full speed transfers due to the bus speed.  These are probably the max because this was a very streamlined transfer protocol and client/server application.  Normal overhead will chop these numbers down quite a bit.  This might be okay for web browsing, and casual file transfers, but for running the system it's very slow.
Time to move on.  Bye Amiga.org.  :(
 

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Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #303 on: August 31, 2005, 09:47:16 PM »
Quit the bullpoo.

10Mb/s is 178 times faster than a 56K modem.
The average broadband internet connectio is 20-50 times faster than 56K.

Stop your trolling.
The only thing you are succeeding in doing is stopping an uninformed noob from gaining any interest in the possibility of AROS or OS4 on GC.

Too bad this product http://www.planetgamecube.com/news.cfm?action=item&id=2292 never saw the light of day.
 

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Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #304 on: August 31, 2005, 10:09:15 PM »
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10Mb/s is 178 times faster than a 56K modem.
The average broadband internet connectio is 20-50 times faster than 56K.


It doesn't mean you got 100% out of a 56k connection :roll:, you wish!


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Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #305 on: August 31, 2005, 10:23:02 PM »
Well 10Mb/s may be fast for internet access, but it's incredibly slow for pulling files of any consequence over the network.  Even 100Mb/s feels slow compared to a local disk.

That said, it would be neat to see AROS running on a Gamecube, but someone has to port it and I don't think it's even running under Linux PPC or OS X hosted yet.

Dreamcast would be a fun port too.  It has proper keyboard and mouse peripherals, boots homebrew without a modchip, and even has a fairly high speed ethernet card (though it will cost you more than a new Gamecube).  It also uses a little endian processor which might make porting a little easier.  Of course, no one's even attempted any kind of SuperH port let alone one for the Dreamcast.
 

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Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #306 on: August 31, 2005, 11:17:03 PM »
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Well 10Mb/s may be fast for internet access, but it's incredibly slow for pulling files of any consequence over the network.  Even 100Mb/s feels slow compared to a local disk.


Honestly - have you ever worked in an office environment with a LAN and accessed applications from mapped network drives?  You are telling me that moving 1.2 MEGABYTES per second is too slow?  :roll:  And just how big are the files that you are playing with?  10Mb/s is equivalent to an 8 speed CDROM but without spin up times or long seek times - so effectively much MUCH faster.

Oh and they do have Gamecube keyboards as well as adapters for ps/2 keyboards/mice through the controller port.

I don't see the advantage of a DC port as it's got less memory and inferior capabilities and uses CDs as opposed to DVDs.
 

Offline Louis DiasTopic starter

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« Reply #307 on: August 31, 2005, 11:25:54 PM »
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10Mb/s is 178 times faster than a 56K modem.
The average broadband internet connectio is 20-50 times faster than 56K.


It doesn't mean you got 100% out of a 56k connection :roll:, you wish!


and your point is what?  :-?
 

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Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #308 on: September 01, 2005, 12:49:16 AM »
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MskoDestny wrote:
Well 10Mb/s may be fast for internet access, but it's incredibly slow for pulling files of any consequence over the network.  Even 100Mb/s feels slow compared to a local disk.


Honestly - have you ever worked in an office environment with a LAN and accessed applications from mapped network drives?  You are telling me that moving 1.2 MEGABYTES per second is too slow?  :roll:  And just how big are the files that you are playing with?  10Mb/s is equivalent to an 8 speed CDROM but without spin up times or long seek times - so effectively much MUCH faster.


Nobody uses 10Mbit networks in office environments any more (unless they're stuck with vintage hardware and cabling!) - they are way too slow unless you've only got a small office and a handful of very light network users.

Although, in theory, 10Mbit networks support 1.2Mb/sec transfer, you'll typically get around 80% utilisation, bringing that down to 1Mb/sec, and that's excluding network protocol overheads and any other traffic.

I don't even use 10Mbit/sec at home, it's just too painfully slow, especially when transferring video files which can be up to a few Gb in size.

Anyway... back on topic! 10Mbit/sec is probably tolerable for direct streaming of data to the Gamecube, though some of the forums have reported that even on a 100Mbit network, playback of in-game videos in this way is a bit choppy.

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Oh and they do have Gamecube keyboards as well as adapters for ps/2 keyboards/mice through the controller port.


It's great that the GC Linux port utilises these.

Has anyone attempted a UAE port to GC Linux? Would the GC's hardware be capable of running an emulated Amiga at a reasonable speed?

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Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #309 on: September 01, 2005, 01:39:27 AM »
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Quit the bullpoo.


Don't know where this comes from.

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10Mb/s is 178 times faster than a 56K modem.
The average broadband internet connectio is 20-50 times faster than 56K.


Both irrelevant.  You wouldn't mount a filesystem over a 56k modem or broadband would you?  I said it was good for web browsing, which you seem to agree with here.

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Stop your trolling.
The only thing you are succeeding in doing is stopping an uninformed noob from gaining any interest in the possibility of AROS or OS4 on GC.


I'm simply offering technical information,, and corrections to incorrect information posted by others (including you).  If you think my specs are wrong, then please offer counter information (with sources), instead of just calling me a troll.
Time to move on.  Bye Amiga.org.  :(
 

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Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #310 on: September 01, 2005, 02:19:33 AM »
They are irrelevant as statistics goes... but also meaning that a 10Mb/s is magnitudes faster then of 56K, altough I don't see relevance of 56K... t:roll: :-P


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Offline Louis DiasTopic starter

Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #311 on: September 01, 2005, 03:43:31 AM »
My point is that 10Mb/s is plenty fast for a single home user to surf the web and store files on a network drive.  IT's not like you'd have to compete with the guy in the next cubicle for bandwidth.  Also VPN's are running at 'net' speeds which at best are only using 50% of a 10Mb connection.  If you want more speed for larger (movie) files, burn them to DVD and stream them from the Cube's DVD drive.

So can we get off the "10Mbit is too slow' kick?

BTW, my qoob chip and case mod should arrive tomorrow or the next day, it's in Buffalo, NY as of 5:31PM.

I need to do more reading before I install it as people report that the reset button doesn't work...weird...  Hopefully next month I will get a nice 42" Plasma TV to run in 852x480 widescreen progressive scan mode.  I'll bet the linux framebuffer doesn't support that yet but I have plenty of games that do.

I've already downloaded the GC Windows Dev kit.  Haven't unpacked it yet.  It would be nice if .NET could produce GC code!  I'm a VB.net programmer by day now...

Oh and I lost my soldering iron so time to buy a new one so it may be a week or so...
 

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Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #312 on: September 01, 2005, 04:20:41 AM »
The primary advantage of the Dreamcast is that you don't need a modchip opening up the audience somewhat.  While there are certainly a lot of people with Gamecubes, only a relatively small percentage of them have modchips.  I think it very likely that there are more Dreamcast owners than there are owners of modded Gamecubes.  It also has the advantage of being a very well understood platform whereas some of the Nintendo hardware isn't completely figured out yet (at least so I remember seeing somewhere in this thread).

Part of my interest is due to the fact that the SH-4 is the fastest chip (apart from x86) I've come across available in a non-BGA package.  BGA is a very hobbyist unfriendly package as you need X-Ray equipment to verify that it's been soldered correctly and there aren't as many nifty tricks to solder it on a budget in the first place.  PowerPC is all BGA, ColdFire is BGA, ARM/XScale chips with comparable performance are all BGA. As an aspiring hobby computer designer that makes the SH-4 a rather sexy chip. I think it would be kind of cool to try and put together some kind of custom SFF AROS box, or maybe a STB or handheld device.  A Dreamcast port would make porting AROS to such a device that much easier.

I suppose part of it is just the Sega fanboy in me shining through.  The Dreamcast is a neat little system that died more from mismanagement than on the merits of the hardware, much like the Amiga.

Frankly, if we're talking about actual usefulness as a computer, the XBox makes the most sense.  It has a hard drive, built-in ethernet (and it's not crippled like on the GC) and hacking USB mice and keyboards to work with it is trivial.  Until someone comes up with a WOS, AOS4, or MOS wrapper for AROS there's not really any advantage to running it on PowerPC
 

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« Reply #313 on: September 01, 2005, 11:05:49 AM »
My argument against the Xbox is thatt for $150 these days, I can already buy a full PC that outperforms the XBOX.

Also, I already own an Athlon 3200+ PC with a Gig of RAM, why would I want an XBOX?

The Amiga community decided they wanted a PPC-based Amiga.  The GC gives them that at a low cost of entry.

You don't need a modchip to run homebrew code on a GC.  Phantasy Star Online attempts to download a new executable from the broadband adapter, this is where you can trick it to run your own code and what started the homebrew revolution on the GC.

However the 'qoob' modchip that I am buying involves only 6 wires (20 minutes total install time) and comes with 2MB of flashable ram (via USB) to install your own code and boot in a second just by holding down the 'B' button on the controller.  Yes, Linux is running in 1 second on the GC with this mod chip.

Now that's nice.
 

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Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #314 from previous page: September 01, 2005, 01:30:05 PM »
I still can't put a system together with case, psu and the power that's in the Xbox at the same price point that the Xbox has. Maybe prices are different in your part of the world.

As for the GameCube... OS4 will never ever run on that. Not in a million years.