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Re: Amiga Acknowledges T-shirts Shipping
« Reply #29 from previous page: January 18, 2005, 06:06:35 PM »
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You should read the Hare long interview about the CEO card:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/features/index.php?op=r&cat_id=3&rev_id=50&sort_by


I've read it. Sounds like damage control to me;-) It's kind of hard to dispute what is in court transcripts.
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Re: Amiga Acknowledges T-shirts Shipping
« Reply #30 on: January 18, 2005, 07:13:03 PM »
my favorite Garry Hare comment:
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Only recently did I discover what a moo bunny was.
I know exactly how he feels. I've only discovered moo bunny about a year ago myself.
there are some of us with a life. strange as that may sound.
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Re: Amiga Acknowledges T-shirts Shipping
« Reply #31 on: January 18, 2005, 07:19:38 PM »
Ray,
    are you posting in official capacity on behalf of AInc? If so, perhaps you could enquire how I can get my club membership $50 discount off an AmigaOne and then follow up with whom I need to submit my party pack rebate coupon too.

After 6 years of living in America, at least my t-shirt fits now! ;-)

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Re: Amiga Acknowledges T-shirts Shipping
« Reply #32 on: January 18, 2005, 07:38:41 PM »
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Garry Hare is CEO of Amiga Inc? What happened to McEwen? Got fired?
where have you been? Hare has been da Boss for over a year now.

Well, this is the first time it came from Amiga Inc themself.
The corporate site has still McEwen listed as ceo and president with no mention of Garry at all.
 

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Re: Amiga Acknowledges T-shirts Shipping
« Reply #33 on: January 18, 2005, 07:40:26 PM »
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While I'd be fully willing to buy anything Amiga (I'm a Commodore/Amiga junkie) even I look at price as a factor coupled with the fact that AOS 4 isn't done yet. I just could never see spending that much for a Linux box.

It might not be final yet, but the latest pre release is quite useable already from what i have seen.

The price is a totally different issue though...
 

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Re: Amiga Acknowledges T-shirts Shipping
« Reply #34 on: January 18, 2005, 07:41:25 PM »
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The corporate site has still McEwen listed as ceo and president with no mention of Garry at all.
Just out of curiousity, would you want your name associated with the former issues or -- for a "market illuminary" such as Garry -- with a company that appears about as "below the radar" as it can get?  It's kinda like job hunting for a job as a CEO of a fortune 500 and listing "worked at K-mart" on your resume.

Amiga Inc is pretty much a black sheep for everyone involved right now, but sending out the t-shirts is at least a step in the right direction.

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Re: Amiga Acknowledges T-shirts Shipping
« Reply #35 on: January 18, 2005, 07:53:22 PM »
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The corporate site has still McEwen listed as ceo and president with no mention of Garry at all.
you actually go to that site for info???
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Re: Amiga Acknowledges T-shirts Shipping
« Reply #36 on: January 18, 2005, 10:02:47 PM »
@Cecilia

whats moo bunny?  :nervous:
 

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Re: Amiga Acknowledges T-shirts Shipping
« Reply #37 on: January 18, 2005, 10:09:17 PM »
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whats moo bunny?  :nervous:
the land of F**ktards!
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that's a refernce to polyhead, btw

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Re: Amiga Acknowledges T-shirts Shipping
« Reply #38 on: January 18, 2005, 10:18:17 PM »
I'm in rare agreement with Wayne.

After two years and a change in ownership, and the fact that there is barely anyone left that cares, and no alternative, not even from Genesi...the idea that they went and shipped t-shirts, has got to be a step in the right direction.

Kudo's on delivering t-shirts.

I also agree, that there just isn't a huge lot of room in the alternative, powerpc, whatever markets, and the mac mini is uncovering a secret, that we amigans knew about all along ( I mean that we regular amigans knew about, but our leadership was steadfastly blind too)...which is that americans and europeans WANT, most decidedly want a HOME computer....one that is fun, low cost, small, and doesn't run the same microsoft windows that we use at the office.

so, Apple, is kind of blindly stumbling into a hit that they never really understood exists...thankfully their experience in courting 'switchers' has led them down the same path, that we are at already.

Apple is either going to prove, and then take this market...or prove forever that I am wrong, and there is no market....either way, its over and done for amiga, inc.

In that light, another double kudo's for sending out t-shirts.  and I'll even wish Amiga, Inc. a hardy 'good luck'
 

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Re: Amiga Acknowledges T-shirts Shipping
« Reply #39 on: January 18, 2005, 10:37:09 PM »
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I'm in rare agreement with Wayne


I'm in full agreement with Wayne. If the Ami* related companies continue down the same path, there will be no rebirth. I wouldn't word it as 'mini-mac will kill the Amiga'. I'd simply say 'it's the final nail in the coffin'.

Honestly I think Genesi had the best shot of making something happen, yet failed for reasons we won't get into. What a shame. Hyperion has hinted toward porting OS4 to another board beside the Teron based AmigaOne. I hope they are serious, because the Teron/AmigOne is a death sentence. Hell, as much as I like the Pegasos it will be in the same boat unles it can go more agressive on price.

Was that coherant? :lol:
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Re: Amiga Acknowledges T-shirts Shipping
« Reply #40 on: January 18, 2005, 10:57:16 PM »
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Wayne:  Take for example a $150 widget program. *If* _ALL_ 1000 AmigaOne owners bought the widget, that's $150,000 gross income.

Yeah, that's what bothered me about OS4.  They really could've released OS 3.95 if they wanted to instead of take years to make OS4... except that the version number would have looked pretty dumb.  :-)

Look at how often Apple makes you pay for a "new" OS.

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Itix:  You forget something... not every amiga user is amiga enthusiast. There are uncertain users who might want to try something new. Bringing in fresh blood is even harder. How many *new* users (never had an amiga) you have seen here?

Yup.  I was perfectly willing to spend $100 for the SDK to try it out, and would even pay it again if some DE beta is released, but I would never pay for a full development system.

Actually, I would buy a Mac Mini for OS4, if I could still use MacOS as a dual-boot option.  I'm still considering getting a Mac Mini.  It's the only Mac I've ever thought was a really good idea, and it's well-built, to boot.

Getting development software running on the PC and final retail software on proprietary hardware, at the very least, is what I find acceptable.  If you have to buy all proprietary hardware just to try out a platform, or develop for it, then it will NEVER gain market share.  Period.  If it doesn't gain market share, it has no future.  If it has no future, you might as well open-source it or continue emulating it.

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Rayt:  Because I can't imagine anyone with no "amiga experience" (apart from a very few rich people maybe) buys such an expensive board just to try out an exotic OS.

You mean like BeOS people?

Note that UNIX development didn't catch on in the private sector until a low-cost clone was made.  Now Linux is taking over everything, even the commercial sector.

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JDK:  After 6 years of living in America, at least my t-shirt fits now!

I'm glad I didn't get one, 'cause it wouldn't fit me anymore.  ;-)
 

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Re: Amiga Acknowledges T-shirts Shipping
« Reply #41 on: January 19, 2005, 01:13:52 AM »
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Honestly I think Genesi had the best shot of making something happen, yet failed for reasons we won't get into.


They failed because they largely subsidised the pegasos boards and didn't make any money at all out of the "amiga business"..
 

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« Reply #42 on: January 19, 2005, 01:34:15 AM »
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They failed because they largely subsidised the pegasos boards and didn't make any money at all out of the "amiga business"..
They subsidized boards specifically to undercut then steal Amiga Inc's potential customers who -- even then -- were  fed up and waiting for OS4.  

BBRV's thinly-veiled personal motivations (some would call it a vendetta against McEwen) aside, for some odd reason, despite many wise community members telling them otherwise, both Amiga Inc and Genesi went into this thing with blinders on honestly believing that there were "millions of Amiga users" willing to buy their product.  The sad fact was that around the time, there were probably less than 2000, and less than half that remain.

 

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Re: Amiga Acknowledges T-shirts Shipping
« Reply #43 on: January 19, 2005, 02:05:47 AM »
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They (Genesi) subsidized boards specifically to undercut then steal Amiga Inc's potential customers who -- even then -- were fed up and waiting for OS4.


It wasn't subsidy, it was the failure of the Pegasos-1. After the abandoning of the first Pegasos line, attempts were made to make the best of a bad thing by using these boards to woo developers. First they were sold at lower prices (299 dollars instead of the original 499). Then they were simply given away for free. This helped the community (yes, the WHOLE community!) both by increasing the number of developers, and preventing their "leakage" to other platforms.

Regardless of what Buck was thinking or his dislike for Ewen, OS4 lost those users "fair and square" because of expensive hardware, Amiga Inc. scandals and an OS long behind schedule; while Genesi gained them by throwing free hardware at developers, developer support sites and having visually better setup. It wasn't because of some evil subterfuge designed to destroy Amiga Inc. AInc simply did not support the community and is not in a position to claim they were somehow conspired against by someone who did.
 

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Re: Amiga Acknowledges T-shirts Shipping
« Reply #44 on: January 19, 2005, 02:45:04 AM »
And another thing. A hypothetical situation: supposing Genesi, bPlan and MorphOS never existed, and Eyetech and Hyperion didn't have any serious PPC competition from 2001 to present day.

Would that have prevented XE and SE users having to keep their boards in a cupboard years after purchase? Would it have prevented thousands of people holding back on buying them waiting for the price to drop a bit, or because OS4 was not ready? Would it have meant news of pretty serious bugs in A1 hardware wouldn't put anyone off? Would it have prevented there being a large number of people so distrustful of Amiga Inc after Bill McEwens blatant "mistruths" so they weren't interested in *anything* they ever did again? Would it have produced Eyetech's production capacity?

The answer to all these is no. It wouldn't have changed a damn thing.

If MorphOS had never existed, personally, like thousands of others, I'd either have prolonged buying an AmigaONE indefinitely after not getting my voucher (and watching the original Escena A1 plan quietly "disappear"), or got it and be sitting starkly disillusioned right now close on a grand out of pocket with a machine that did not work as I was told it would, with only a beta of OS4 for comfort. Probably the former.

Seriously, the blame for condition the community was in since Amiga Inc. took over cannot be placed on competition. Amiga Inc. dropped the ball, it's as simple as that. Eyetech and Hyperion both massively underestimated the scale of the task they picked up, and perhaps they'd never had to if Amiga Inc. hadn't abandoned the "classic" Amiga OS and left them with zero support.

Now its 2005, we're back where we were when Amino bought the Amiga IP: Genesi are not here (they're practically out of the picture), MorphOS is being developed in part time by unpaid coders, new A1 models are coming out. It's amazing, it's like 2001 again.

But KMOS/AInc haven't quite made up that trust deficit with the T-shirts, however much I appreciate them. It's much too easy to repeat the mistakes of the past. What I want to see now is the vouchers and Party Pack obligations being met. Once that's done, maybe we can look up to them as a real company again and start healing the rifts in the community. Until that, I can't trust them and I doubt many others will either.