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AmigaOne, Articia S, and Mac, oh Why?
« on: February 24, 2003, 12:00:01 PM »
Doesn't the Mac, using a PPC, have the same problem that we experienced on the A1? If not, how did they solve/work around it? Can't we do the same thing?

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Re: AmigaOne, Articia S, and Mac, oh Why?
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2003, 12:02:29 PM »
AFAIK, Apple design their own chipsets...
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Re: AmigaOne, Articia S, and Mac, oh Why?
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2003, 01:03:43 PM »
What problem do "we" experience on the A1???
 

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Re: AmigaOne, Articia S, and Mac, oh Why?
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2003, 01:15:29 PM »
So, moto sells a CPU, and someone else has to figure out how to connect it to the ram chips? Is moto trying to sell CPUs or not? When you're that big, I guess you don't care.

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Re: AmigaOne, Articia S, and Mac, oh Why?
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2003, 01:23:18 PM »
Apples do not use Articia chips. They use equivalent IBM chips, which do not have the bugs.
 

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Re: AmigaOne, Articia S, and Mac, oh Why?
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2003, 02:41:35 PM »
And...we...don't...use...those...because... There's something that I'm missing here, which is?

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Re: AmigaOne, Articia S, and Mac, oh Why?
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2003, 02:53:16 PM »
Well, Atheist what a great idea!

Lets see, first we need a spare million (USD or Euros) and we will get to work on it.  Could you front the funds?  Alternately, we could buy the IBM chip but in either case (Pegasos or Teron) the possibilities require a new board design.  Hummm...

Who will do this?  Well, we will from our side.  What is the other planning?  (Pssst...Teron=Mai=Articia...see the problem?).

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Re: AmigaOne, Articia S, and Mac, oh Why?
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2003, 09:05:24 PM »
bbrv you really are a dick.

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Re: AmigaOne, Articia S, and Mac, oh Why?
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2003, 09:45:25 PM »
"Who will do this? Well, we will from our side. What is the other planning? (Pssst...Teron=Mai=Articia...see the problem?)."

Nope. What problem? Availability? Shouldn't matter right now, as AOS4 isn't ready, the boards aren't really needed now.

I have yet to read what April2 is supposed to fix, unless it was the remaining UDMA bug.

It's not uncommon for chipsets to suffer from bugs. The last PC motherboard I owned (MSI using AMD's Irongate chipset) had at least one, although that was only a problem under Linux. It's also not uncommon to fix these issues in software rather than hardware.
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Re: AmigaOne, Articia S, and Mac, oh Why?
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2003, 12:23:03 AM »
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Well, Atheist what a great idea!  

Lets see, first we need a spare million (USD or Euros) and we will get to work on it. Could you front the funds?  


That was pretty rude.  

I think he was just wondering why if  "Apple does not use Articia chips. They use equivalent IBM chips, which do not have the bugs" then why haven't companies (not just Genesi) used these IBM chips instead of the Articia form the beginging.

I think it's a good question.  Why is that?? Cost?? Supply??

 Insulting someone for asking a question, as fun as it might be to you, is still not answering their question.  

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Re: AmigaOne, Articia S, and Mac, oh Why?
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2003, 12:43:56 AM »
Every hardware manufacturer has to supply drivers that will run on any PC, any BIOS, with patches to make his hardware work on all versions of Windows. His hardware is expensive to make and has to be made as cheap as possible. There will always be some incompatibilities between what he has designed and someone's particular hardware or software setup. Fix it in software - you only have to pay once for that.

When a manufacturer finds that his new hardware doesn't do this or that under these conditions, he patches his driver software to make it happen (which is why new Windows drivers are issued so frequently). He calls it an upgrade, his competitors call it a festering bug. The result is the same, his hardware now works under more conditions than it did last week.

VIA can't afford to make their chipset work under all conditions, and the others can't, either. That's why every piece of hardware comes with a "Windows Install CD", which contains drivers and patches for the OS.

Mai is no different. At this stage of the game, there is only one (available) chipset that supports AGP for PPC, and that is Articia.

Consequently, everyone that wants to use Articia for hardware access has to make their drivers do the interfacing in software. At the moment, no hardware manufacturers are releasing video cards or anything else, tailored for PPC boards or particular PPC OSes. So the OS developers (Hyperion, Genesi, the owners of early G3/G4 boards, Mai engineers) are having to do the software work.

It's not a big deal, it just takes time.

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Re: AmigaOne, Articia S, and Mac, oh Why?
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2003, 02:23:25 AM »
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Who will do this? Well, we will from our side. What is the other planning? (Pssst...Teron=Mai=Articia...see the problem?).

and who are you to say noone is designing boards that don't use the mai chipset for the otherside?  last I noticed you had your head shoved so far up eyetech and hyperion's ### you can't see beyond that scope of reality.    
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Re: AmigaOne, Articia S, and Mac, oh Why?
« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2003, 03:15:47 AM »
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and who are you to say noone is designing boards that don't use the mai chipset for the otherside? last I noticed you had your head shoved so far up eyetech and hyperion's ### you can't see beyond that scope of reality.

Uh, I think you might need a clue.

BB = Bill Buck = CEO of Genesi. If you haven't noticed, they (Genesi) don't particularly care for either Hyperion or Eyetech.
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Re: AmigaOne, Articia S, and Mac, oh Why?
« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2003, 03:45:54 AM »
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BB = Bill Buck = CEO of Genesi. If you haven't noticed, they (Genesi) don't particularly care for either Hyperion or Eyetech.

could have fooled me by his posts...maybe I must be getting some mystical posts that you're not getting because I've certainly seen him up thier ### ;)
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Re: AmigaOne, Articia S, and Mac, oh Why?
« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2003, 10:17:11 AM »
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could have fooled me by his posts...maybe I must be getting some mystical posts that you're not getting because I've certainly seen him up thier ### ;)

Consider yourself a mystic, then.
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