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Re: When are AOS4 released?
« Reply #59 from previous page: January 25, 2005, 01:46:57 AM »
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Did I ever say that ACK would be lying ?


Your posting seems to imply that.

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I didn't comment on the thread you linked to for a simple reason, the info on the "Peg3" where just as thin as they were on the Peg2 a year earlier, which contrary to many doubts turned out to be real....


Then, why comment on this one?
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Re: When are AOS4 released?
« Reply #60 on: January 25, 2005, 01:47:42 AM »
@ lavo

Prometheus and Mediator work, but AFAIK no G-Rex. Plus, there are drivers for CVPPC and BVPPC.

Also, native driver for the CSPPC SCSI driver, and a native driver for the Blizzard SCSI and A4000T onboard SCSI controller are under development.

Additionally, a lot of Zorro cards work under emulation.
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Re: When are AOS4 released?
« Reply #61 on: January 25, 2005, 01:53:17 AM »
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Yes, of course it is very professional of you as a representative of Hyperion, to slam a bitter rival on a totally unneccesary level?


I don't represent Hyperion. The fact that I work for them doesn't mean I loose my freedom of speech. I thought that this comparison was quite adequate because the Peg3 announcement turned out to be a whee bit optimistic.

I didn't "slam a rival". They managed to do that by themselves. I'd bet that even BBRV would agree on that. I didn't call them names or anything, I just pointed out a fact. I have of course the advantage of doing this in retrospect, and of course things look more obviously wrong when you know they are wrong.

You point was?
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Re: When are AOS4 released?
« Reply #62 on: January 25, 2005, 01:58:32 AM »
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a) Are there any B-Vision drivers for OS4, if yes, are they PPC native or still 68k?  Can you switch between AGA chipset and B-Vision from the OS, or better still, use both at the same time?


Yes, there are drivers. I think they are 68k still, but because of some bug in the rtg.library that prevents native drivers from woring on the classic (no problem on the A1, though..).

Of course, you can still use AGA.

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b) Does OS4 support the Paula chip, or just AHI sound-cards?


Paula is supported on the classic.

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c) How's the hard disk speed using the regular IDE adaptor?


Mediocre. The emulated drivers are a bit slow.. Since most people with CSPPCs use SCSI, and there's a native driver, that shouldn't be too much of a problem... The on-board A4000 IDE interface isn't fast even natively...

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d) How responsive is the system in general use?


Haven't used it in a while, I have to admit...

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e) Has anyone tried using the bundled GCC compiler?  How's compilation time, and how's final code size compated to 68k?


Compile times greatly depend on the disk speed. With the FFS or SFS plugin cache enabled, it's quite fast.

Code size of PPC is larger than that of 68k binaries... the file format itself is also larger, but overally, the code size is about 1.5 times...

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f) I know that DVD playback is out of the question, but what about regular VCD (not super VCD)?


I think Moovid, AMP and of course MPlayer can both play VCD.

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g) What are realistic memory requirements for OS4 on the classic Amiga?


You should have at least 64 MB. It works with far less (say, 16 MB), but isn't really usable. Remember that instead of relying on the ROM, we need to load the complete kickstart image into RAM. Plus, OS4 absolutely needs an MMU table. This means roughly 6 MB are already taken.

For "special environments", the useage can be cut down to roughly 4 MB, but that's the absolute realistic minimum.... And that will not leave any memory for applications...
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Re: When are AOS4 released?
« Reply #63 on: January 25, 2005, 01:59:13 AM »
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MMU tables, 32bit gfx, 16bit sound, JIT buffers... 50MB has disappeared faster than you can say "cat"


Not to mention wallpapers of 1280x1024, disk cache, bitmap cache for PNG icons, etc. If you then force windows to smart refresh, that will also eat up a lot of memory (I tend to keep this off by default).

@Kronos:

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Also note that PPC code maybe twice as big, the data your are handling is still the same size, and even the most advanced Amiga-apps will stay quite a way from having 20MB or so in exe-files


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Re: When are AOS4 released?
« Reply #64 on: January 25, 2005, 01:59:29 AM »
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e) Daily, yes. It's slow.


Have you tried fs_plugin_cache ?
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Re: When are AOS4 released?
« Reply #65 on: January 25, 2005, 02:00:58 AM »
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64MB should leave you with ~30MB free, which should be enough for standard tasks.


The last 64 MB system I tried OS4 on left 48 MB free after a full boot to Workbench.
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Re: When are AOS4 released?
« Reply #66 on: January 25, 2005, 02:12:49 AM »
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@ lavo

Prometheus and Mediator work, but AFAIK no G-Rex. Plus, there are drivers for CVPPC and BVPPC.

Also, native driver for the CSPPC SCSI driver, and a native driver for the Blizzard SCSI and A4000T onboard SCSI controller are under development.

Additionally, a lot of Zorro cards work under emulation.


Thanks Thomas.  I appreciate the information, and all the other info you guys from Hyperion give us in regards to OS 4.  Its a refreshing change from some other big OS developers ;-)
 

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Re: When are AOS4 released?
« Reply #67 on: January 25, 2005, 05:04:28 AM »
@EntilZha:

Not currently. But I was lucky enough to get more memory yesterday (hello Toaks!) so I will enable this...does it also work with SFS?

The speed must be very subjective. IMHO, GCC 3.4.2 is pretty heavy on classic machine, especially when using optimizations...
 

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Re: When are AOS4 released?
« Reply #68 on: January 25, 2005, 12:04:04 PM »
Hi again;

@EntilZha
Will the rtg.lib bug be solved before OS4's release?  Allowing B-Vision to work nativly?  And is GCC so slow to the point of being unuseable?  Can you give us a rough idea of compiles for known open source apps/modules?

@x56h34
You've mentioned you've got another accelerator for sale.  Can you post more details please?  I am willing to pay $250 dollars if it's in good condition and has SCSI.

This is really an interesting thread, hope the discussion keeps going since it is very informative.

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Re: When are AOS4 released?
« Reply #69 on: January 25, 2005, 12:35:54 PM »
@Jethro: it's useable. Otherwise I wouldn't have ported NetHack, a few Angbands etc. Compiling takes many minutes though, maybe ~1 hour on an Angband variant on my BPPC. Please note, that I haven't had that cache plugin enabled and only had 64MB of memory, T: assigned to harddisk etc...
 

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Re: When are AOS4 released?
« Reply #70 on: January 25, 2005, 02:20:14 PM »
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You've mentioned you've got another accelerator for sale.  Can you post more details please?  I am willing to pay $250 dollars if it's in good condition and has SCSI.


I do have more PPC cards for sale, however they will all go to eBay eventually. Unless you can come up with an offer which is realistic to a potential eBay sale, I really can't simply give it away. As you can see here, an 040/200Mhz without SCSI went for more than what you offer for a card with better specs.
 

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Re: When are AOS4 released?
« Reply #71 on: January 25, 2005, 03:23:49 PM »
@x56h34
What are the specs of your card then, and how much do you want to sell the card immediatly?  Maybe the seller was lucky to sell that card for 280!  It dosen't mean luck will repeat itself!!

@Patrik
Do you know if LVD SCSI is compatible with the interface on Blizzard accelerators?

@All;
to anyone reading this thread who's got a PPC card for sale, please reply here or send a message!


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Re: When are AOS4 released?
« Reply #72 on: January 25, 2005, 03:24:21 PM »
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You've mentioned you've got another accelerator for sale.  Can you post more details please?  I am willing to pay $250 dollars if it's in good condition and has SCSI.


I do have more PPC cards for sale, however they will all go to eBay eventually. Unless you can come up with an offer which is realistic to a potential eBay sale, I really can't simply give it away. As you can see here, an 040/200Mhz without SCSI went for more than what you offer for a card with better specs.


To be fair, you also have to at least give a potential buyer the chance to counter offer.  It is one thing sending someone an email to invite them to put in an offer, but it is another to not reply then simply chuck it on ebay.  No sour grapes, just fairness for others who may be interested in buying your boards.
 

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Re: When are AOS4 released?
« Reply #73 on: January 25, 2005, 03:50:39 PM »
OK this is what I have and how much I would let them go for, right now. The last one in the list is a part of my own setup, however if the price is right I'd definitely let it go.

040@25Mhz - 603e@240Mhz - with SCSI and cable - $350USD
060@50Mhz - 603e@240Mhz - no SCSI - $400USD
060@50Mhz - 603e@240Mhz - with SCSI and cable - $500USD