When are AOS4 released?

[bloodline]

Rogue wrote:

I too do not expect to ever see OS4 for my blizzard PPC... Won't happen, not in a billion years*

Yeah, lemme guess, all those beta testers that actually have it are lying, right?

Follow the star...  :-D

[Jethro_Tull]

@Rogue

Well, you must admit though, that Kronos depicted an awfully realistic scenario, which would explain the lack of more concrete details while stopping short of labelling ACK a liar.  :inquisitive:

We all agree that it would be far nicer if we could buy brand new accelerators for our Amigas, rather then hunt down second hand parts and pray they'll give us a few more years of service.  The sad truth is that the Amiga market is so small nobody with the right knowledge and resources is willing to develop such a board.

A few months ago, someone had the blueprints for an A600 030 accelerator, and was testing the water for an evenutal re-release. A1200 PPC boards might also re-surface in this way, maybe a revised Blizzard without the 680X0 CPU.

Hopefully, the release of OS4 will build enough momentum for this to happen.

Jethro Tull

[Rogue]

Well, you must admit though, that Kronos depicted an awfully realistic scenario, which would explain the lack of more concrete details while stopping short of labelling ACK a liar

Problem is, I know ACK personally and I know better than to call him a liar. Matter of fact is that ACK told me about this  hardware a few months ago already, and if he says so I am ready to believe him. He also has access to the OS 4 source code. Not that I have ever seen it, but I live in Germany and he's from Canada, a bit far for a weekend trip.

Personally, I always find it amazing that certain people are eager to comment announcements from one side but don't comment on things like the Pegasos III announcement by BBRV from 2003 which are so obviously unrealistic.

[Kronos]

@Rogue

Sometimes I really ask myself what your problem is ....

Did I ever say that ACK would be lying ? No I only said that one shouldn't interpret more into his statement ("linux runs on it") then there actually is.

And yes, being a bit cynic after 10 years of empty promises and hyped-up news-releases from ALL players and all colors is more than warranted.

And your replies sofar show pretty well that even you don't know any details and prefer to derail it into troll-land instead of just countering my argumentation...

I didn't comment on the thread you linked to for a simple reason, the info on the "Peg3" where just as thin as they were on the Peg2 a year earlier, which contrary to many doubts turned out to be real....

[Jethro_Tull]

@Rogue

First of all, I hope I was not misunderstood. I'm not calling anyone a liar, on the contrary, I wrote that in my opinion what Kronos wrote made sense without clashing with ACK's announcement!  

BBRV though is a different matter entirly! In this thread we've discussed OS4 for Classic Amigas, and received good news.  We've also discussed in a civil manner the existence (or lack of) of two Amiga products.  And again, the discusstion was informative and usefull.

But if we'll throw BBRV in the pot things will degenerate swiftly!  I don't need to tell you what I think of this guy's actions Rogue.  The endless flamefests, the list of people ruined and deluded, the downfall of MorphOS speak for themselves.  The fact that I'm asking you about OS4 for my Amiga, and the fact that I'm searching for a PPC board to run it on should give you a clear answer to where BBRV can stick his Peg-III without resorting to strong, offensive words.

Since you're so close to ACK, tell him he's got at least one customer for his upcoming board .  The discussion in this thread reflects the old adage, 'once bitten, twice shy'! The Amiga community has had more then it's fair share of bites.  But rest assured no one is condemning ACK!

Thanks again Rogue
Jethro Tull

[Jethro_Tull]

@Kronos

Please pay attention to where you lead this thread.  While you accuse others of trolling you're derailing this discussion into another BBRV versus Amiga flame war.  I agreed with you when trying to explain the events leading to ACK's accelerator, and I agree with you now when you say no one called ACK a liar.  

However I totally disagree with you when you claim Rogue is trolling. How can he counter your argument if he's got nothing to do with this blessed PPC board?  He simply stated that ACK is a good friend and a trusted workmate.  In Rogue's opinion ACK wouldn't deceive us.  However, he was also fair stating clearly that he didn't see the hardware running himself.  This is simply etchical conduct on his part.  While he trusts ACK, he cannot vouch for something he didn't see personally!

I also disagree with you regarding BBRV and the Pegasus boards.  Rogue mentioned the Peg-III not the II, so it's no use trumpeting the Peg-II's eventual release. More so when this occured WAY behind schedule, and AFTER the Peg-III was announced! The Peg-III was a pie in the sky.  A huge custard pie in fact, which has fallen flat on Mr.Buck's face. :lol:

Unless you've seen the Peg-III working and know of a warehouse full of these boards ready to be delivered, it's useless mentioning the Peg-III again, isn't it?

If we must continue to discuss BBRV and his actions, even though it's been done ad-nauseum, open a new thread and I'll gladly reply over there.  Let's not turn every discussion, every topic into a flaming fight, shall we?   :-)

Thanks Kronos
Jethro Tull  

[Argo]

Jethro_Tull has said most of what I was going to say.
So...

Reread posts before replying, watch the personal remarks, and "stay on target....stay on target"

[Jethro_Tull]

Thanks for your kind words Argo.  Please keep in mind that English in not my mother language, so sometimes my mails can sound more aggressive then I intended.  

Hopefully ACK will intervene personally and clear the whole PPC card issue himself! BBRV's extravagant announcement of the Peg-III, at the end, is irrelevant, and dosen't justify Elbox, ACK or anyone else doing the same. Two wrongs don't make a right.

[HopperJF]

Rogue wrote:
Personally, I always find it amazing that certain people are eager to comment announcements from one side but don't comment on things like the Pegasos III announcement by BBRV from 2003 which are so obviously unrealistic.

Yes, of course it is very professional of you as a representative of Hyperion, to slam a bitter rival on a totally unneccesary level?

[cecilia]

Yes, of course it is very professional of you as a representative of Hyperion, to slam a bitter rival on a totally unneccesary level?

oh, i don't know....seemed about the right level to me. :-D

anyway, no one gives a hoot about the Old Master Manipulator anymore. so, let's just drop that topic. It's boring at this point. They are gone.....

let me say that I am happy to hear that people with classical amigas will be able to run OS4!

I've only ever had 2000's, so this option was never something I could enjoy, but I have heard others express this wish. for them, I say WOOT! :-P

[Jethro_Tull]

@HopperJF

First of all why draw in Hyperion, when Rogue has a clear disclaimer stating the opinions in his posts are his own?  Also, he's not slamming a product, since there's no product to speak of!

I think Rogue was simply frustrated that so many posts doubted his friend's accelerator board while the Peg-III anouncement went by uncriticised.  I think actually the Peg-III was simply ignored in the long run because it was so increadibly far fetched and highly unlikely to be true, as it turned out to be the case.

I clicked on Rogue's link and a lot of users actually did question the existance and viability of such a board.  More so when there was no freely available chipset for the CPU.  They also derided the timing of BBRV's post. Proclaiming the release of the Peg-III when the vastly inferior but eagerly awaited Peg-II was still unreleased was simply ludicrous.  BBRV shot himself in the foot and lost both sales and credibility with this faux-pass.

Also, please explain why is it unprofessional for someone to slam a rival?  When (a)the slam's totaly true (b)the other rival (BBRV) did much the same, way more often, did so in a highly unethical way using lies, deceit, fearmongering and plain B.S.?

I agree though that Rogue should not have brought BBRV in this thread.  Nobody in here ever mentioned BBRV.  And nobody said that BBRV's behaviour was better (or worse) then Rogue's, ACK's or anyone else. BBRV's actions are coming back to haunt him. He's managed to earn eveyone's spite and his castle of cards is falling on it's own.

But at the end Rogue's point on the Peg-III was spot on and 101% true.  No amount of beating around the bush will change that!

@Cecilia
Well said!! Let's move on!  

Haven't you ever been tempted to get an AGA machine and join in the fun?  Myself I'd love to get an A2000 but they're difficult to come by :-(  How about a nice list detailing what you've managed to stuff in your big case miggies?  :-) Would make interesting reading!

[lavo]

To get back on track here, do the powers that be that *are* beta testing OS4 for BPPC/CPPC know if various classic add-ons will be supported ie Mediator or G-Rex boards and their related cards?  I can't see playing with OS 4 in 64 Colour AGA WB would be much fun :-)  Fast though.....

[Jethro_Tull]

@Lavo,
Good question!  While we're at it, can a Beta tester or two shed any light on the following;

a) Are there any B-Vision drivers for OS4, if yes, are they PPC native or still 68k?  Can you switch between AGA chipset and B-Vision from the OS, or better still, use both at the same time?

b) Does OS4 support the Paula chip, or just AHI sound-cards?

c) How's the hard disk speed using the regular IDE adaptor?

d) How responsive is the system in general use?

e) Has anyone tried using the bundled GCC compiler?  How's compilation time, and how's final code size compated to 68k?

f) I know that DVD playback is out of the question, but what about regular VCD (not super VCD)?  

g) What are realistic memory requirements for OS4 on the classic Amiga?

Thanks for reading through this extensive list.  Hopefully some of the beta testers out there have tried out most of the stuff listed (that's what I would do anyway)!  Finally, I'd like to say I really envy you guys, toying around with OS4 while we're waiting desperatly for it's release :-)

[lavo]

Jethro_Tull wrote:
@Lavo,
Good question!  While we're at it, can a Beta tester or two shed any light on the following;

a) Are there any B-Vision drivers for OS4, if yes, are they PPC native or still 68k?  Can you switch between AGA chipset and B-Vision from the OS, or better still, use both at the same time?

From what I read on AW, Ryu had OS 4 running on BPPC with a BVision.  It initially ran on AGA, then he selected the BVision in monitor prefs.

b) Does OS4 support the Paula chip, or just AHI sound-cards?

I thought AHI supported Paula anyway.  Maybe I'm wrong?


Can't answer the other questions!

[Mr_Capehill]

@Jethro:

a) I think there are, but I use Mediator.

b) Yes, on classic hardware. (NallePuh with AHI may work too)

d) I haven't used OS 3.x for a long time...

e) Daily, yes. It's slow. VBCC, on the other hand is fast. I think the size of the C code is ok, especially when not using -lauto and after stripping some info. Also optimization flags help.

g) I would say 64 MB is minimum. It should be enough for JIT too. The more the better. GCC needs memory, disk buffers, JIT etc...

Yeah, toying But don't forget all those nasty bugs  :-D

[Ryu]

Have you guys read my article on OS4 on classics?

http://intuitionbase.com/static.php?section=en_OS4_Classics

Also rewatch the video.. it does show a beta version of JIT running Amplifier and a plug to show you the speed increase..

As for IDE performance.. same hardware same speed...