OS4 Beta copy

[Phoenix]

This question has probably been answered already, but are there OS4 beta copies available and will they work on other formats than A1.

Sorry for the dim question(s) :-?

[KennyR]

No, there are no beta versions available. Even when they arrive, they'll probably only be available to the betatesters who signed up last year or before.

[lempkee]

errrm and ofcourse it wont work on a1 first (as all posts earlier refer to) , it will first be for CPPC/bppc, then eventually for A1 ...

anyway mass distrubution of betas is not good, look at mos for an example...

[Phoenix]

That leaves me to wonder why there isnt any beta copies being rolled off???

I would of thought sending some beta copies out to Amiga users would be useful and keep the interest alive.

( I apologise if this is an over simplified view..)

[lempkee]

the betatesters are allready testing the modules and has been doing that for quite a while.

anyway as i said , mass distrobution of betas IS NOT a good idea, keeping something INHOUSE is.

also, betas like mos have doesnt represent anything actually...except for bad stuff (ie it crashed, bla bla bla) , better to let em make it in peace and when the released date is near , thats when you enroll the final testers.

also just to add one thing, os3.5 was mass ditrubuted in an beta form, what happened? ...yes i shall tell you...it got pirated and pirated and people belived it was a final product and ended up giving a #### about it as it was crashy and unstable (which is why its called BETA).

3.9 doesnt have such issues, but its sadly beeing pirated anyway, doesnt make sense...

[Phoenix]

@lempkee

Thanks, that really was a good break down for me :-D

...... as always hoping that Amiga will survive!!

[Mr_Capehill]

@Lempkee:

I believe the order is

CSPPC
A1
BPPC

[MarkTime]

You keep believing that lempkee....maybe it'll be true if you believe hard enough.

MOS is a good example why beta's should be widely distributed.  An even better example is linux.

But lets stick with MOS, without generating interest in their product, they wouldn't have any chance of competing at all....after all, they were the underdog that had to prove themselves.  Amiga, Inc. had all the cards...the mindshare, the name, the ip...if MOS had just been a little secret project, it would still be unknown.

Amiga, Inc. thinks they don't have to compete, but time will tell how much that arrogance hurts them.

a large beta test program advances the platform by getting the bugs out, number two it gives more people the chance to contribute, and three it gives everyone an idea about the status of the project.

AOS4 was not widely distributed in beta, because hyperions concern that it would be pirated, and furthermore, because it wasn't really in beta at all, it was in an alpha state that would have sent shivers of fear down everyone' spine if they had known just how incomplete it was.

Remember, throughout this long development process it has been 'nearly ready' the whole time.

Typically, you start a project where it is a long way from ready...where it is getting closer to being ready....where it is nearly ready....etc.

since this was 'any day now' for years....they had to hide its real state.

This jubilation over the latest paper features of OS 4 demonstrates what is exactly wrong with the AOS community right now.  Amiga delivers nothing except more promises, and whenever the community is a bit down about having nothing, all Amiga Inc has to do, is make another round of promises and everyone is jazzed up and A-OK and ready to wait longer.

'I don't care how long it takes, I'm happy!' was the mantra all day yesterday.

Happy about what, another announcement...and btw, whats this great feature you are getting now...oh yes, 2d graphics!!!!!!!  Wooo hooo, except you knew you were getting that all along...but what this does, is makes things easier for hyperion...WOW, good for them, glad their job is easier...what is that suppose to mean....true believers don't even understand the difference between what is important to THEM and what is important to the company....

I personally don't care how easy or hard it is for hyperion to implement 2d graphics...of course I expect 2d graphics, good GAWWWD.

I am so glad I've broken free from that cycle....
MorphOS is shipping its a real product....

[lempkee]

for an unknown product , well what mos is dooing might do it good, but in my eyes i have only read 1 honest review with good points in it , the rest has just been "OH MY GoD IT Suxx" or "WOW Its so impReSSIVE" , ie the general public have no idea what its all about (except for spidey's review).

time will tell if mos is something to bet on, until then i will treat it as what it is, for me aos is all , i have a neighour who use pegasos all day and everyday, i really cant understand the fuzz, but sure eventually i will when there is something in it thats finnished.
what i have seen that is good is stuff like the actual SPEED, but that doesnt tell me much as because os4 aint released and i cant compare os3.9 with MOS (68k ->ppc)

sure mos have some nice things , but that is something all os's have.

its the marketing scheme i dont like and that is why so many pople are thinkng twice , except for that i can share with you that i wont put any money into bplan/genesi/p5/dce ever again unless i have heard any good response from people who aint blind followers or what ever.

the only way mos can enter the market is the way its doing now, slammin down the aos with fud and lies and beeing hostyle to what ever they see if its not saying mos on it, its nothing i like really...i have always been open about it (until some point back) that mos and aos4 should stop this fight, but as we all know...thats impossible.

i dont question the actual pegasos HW , i am questioning the marketing scheme, the developer schemes and the way the markting people are stepping into the masses, if this had been a bigger market then they would have probably been sued long ago and hanged (that applies for BB mostly , but ainc have done its share of bad stuff aswell...no doubt about that)

a last note must be that everyday is there someone who leave, why? , well most amiga people are now grown ups and need to know whats going on, ie developers cant rely on the dates anymore (for both MOS and aos4) and if you are so stupid to start a devteam then you will get spam and fud and lame discussions all over you.

REALLY SAD!

good luck on your mos venture, i might join you in a year or 2 if it has evolved and or if os4 still aint out or its dead (or both) . until then i will keep doing my work.

[4pLaY]

last i checked OS4 betas were still  beeing tested in parts by several guys on 68k Amigas! might have changed now but i have my doubts.

[downix]

According to the few leaks about AOS4...
it's not even in Alpha testing yet, as the complete package has yet to be assembled.  Some 68k-based components intended for AOS4 are being beta-tested, but they'll have to be re-tested again once the package is assembled.

Sad really.

[MarkTime]

I can understand why it would appear that MOS users are slamming AOS4 for their own benefit, or for mere sport....

but I think it is much more complicated than that.  I wanted Amiga, Inc. to succeed.  And if I slam them, its because they are such a huge disappointment to me, and that is irrespective of any MOS venture.  I was a big Amiga fan, for years.....

But it still isn't criticising them merely for sport....no I think we can look an announcement about 2d graphics support and think, well 2d graphics is not a *bad* thing, its hardly a surprise either....and just put it in perspective.  

BTW, I am only considering MorphOS, I can't actually buy even *THAT* just yet....hopefully that will change soon, but until it does...who knows.  One thing I can say for sure, is whatever someone tells me, I will tell the world....

As far as NDA's go, never done it, never will, thats not my thing.

[Indoro]

Horse fodder. Define mass distribution of a Beta...

Mass piracy of a beta release is never good, but the more betatesters a product has before it is released, the better the chances of finding and eliminating possible malfunctions.

Of course, good betatesters vs. some schmuck that wants to play with a beta product are two different things alltogether. Until late beta stages it isn;t a great idea to make your software publicly available, as it may cause harm to data on any user's system that attempts to betatest it. (This is why professional betatesters use different machines, or at least different hard discs for every beta OS and from their normal personal system.)

The main problem here is that thus far AmigaOS4 is a lot of Alpha stage code, with very little Beta, and no Gamma what-so-ever. The only Beta software is probably the Kernel and the filesystem. (The filesystem is probably the only part approaching Gamma stages.)

Come on people...they announced it was almost ready how many times now, and still can't do a bloody demo of it anywhere...and no, showing the Kernel loading is not a demo of the OS..it is a demo of the Kernel, which the user should never have to see.

This is simply depressing.

//RC//

[uncharted]

Indoro wrote:

The main problem here is that thus far AmigaOS4 is a lot of Alpha stage code, with very little Beta, and no Gamma what-so-ever. The only Beta software is probably the Kernel and the filesystem. (The filesystem is probably the only part approaching Gamma stages.)

Come on people...they announced it was almost ready how many times now, and still can't do a bloody demo of it anywhere...and no, showing the Kernel loading is not a demo of the OS..it is a demo of the Kernel, which the user should never have to see.

This is simply depressing.

//RC//

How do you know what status the code is?

Where are those PPC systems you were selling to George Lucas again  :-?

I don't think that you're in any position to comment on any company.

[Rogue]

Beta test is not public, at least not at the moment. We currently have 77 Testers as of Feb 14th, and we don't take more at the moment. Sorry 'bout that  :-)