BANNED FROM HOME FOR SMACKING SON

[the_leander]

from the Daily Mirror:

A LOVING father was barred from his home and parted from his family for six months after he smacked his three-year-old son in public.

The astonishing curb was imposed in a bail order while the 41-year-old dad-of-two waited 20 weeks to be tried for common assault.

Read more here.

[T_Bone]

That's rediculous.

[X-ray]

Something similar happened to a couple I know, way back in 1990 in Putney. The father smacked his daughter of 11 when she came home after midnight after she had been expressly told that she must be home by 10pm. She was with a boy of 15 who was smoking heavily and doing his best Marlon Brando impression, scowling at the father when he answered the door.

Well...next day, when the father went to pick his daughter up from school, he was greeted by the police. They took him to the station and charged him with child abuse. The wife came down to the station and tried to explain things to the police but they didn't want to know. The daughter was accusing the father of abusing her. After much of a to-do, the guy was released, put on a county-wide register and had to endure various visits and 'counselling' sessions with the authorities. The worst thing is the kid knew she had him by the balls and was openly gobby with him after that, and there was nothing he could do.

[the_leander]

@Xray

The problem is is that this sort of attitude is growing (within the young population), afterall who in their right mind would say they're being abused if they're not? As kids get wise to this ever more quickly, expect to see similar things happening more often, and over more and more rediculous things. I mean looking from the police side of things, how can they really make an accurate judgement call on such an issue... As an offshoot of this, genuine cases may be dropped because police feel the kid is trying to pull a fast one.

For the article itself I say much the same thing, this sort of thing will increase as the PC brigade gains ever more momentum.. And theres little we can do about it, you me and I'd imagine everyone else on this board would say that this was totally over the top by the authorities, but this will become more common.

All because a frightened parent wanted to get across that running around on or around roads equated to pain.

Another thing I wonder is how many children will end up in state run facilities to theirs and the population as a whole's detriment.

I forsee large lawsuits in the making. And by large, I mean government breaking lawsuits.

[adz]

The father smacked his daughter of 11 when she came home after midnight after she had been expressly told that she must be home by 10pm.

WTF is an 11 year old doing out at that time in the first place...me thinks poor discipline/parenthood at an early age has led to this turn of events.

[X-ray]

@ ADZ

Here in the UK youngsters are often out quite late at night. I agree with you in that a 10pm curfew should be more than fair for an 11-year-old, but you can see why she got smacked for coming home after midnight.

[whabang]

Here in Sweden, a guy was freed from the accusations of child abuse a while ago. He publically slapped his 14 year-old daughter after she spat him in the face for not buying her a DVD-movie that she wanted.

There was a great outrage among children's-righs activists, and PC-lefties, but the court thankfully decided that a fostering slap is not child abuse.

[Cymric]

In the Netherlands, the Dutch Minister of Justice wanted to make it unlawful to hit a child. His argument: people should learn that it is not right to hit a child. Of course he was steamrolled by almost everyone: the law won't prevent serious child abuse (which was its main selling point), and parents should have the right to administer a corrective, educational slap. It is not a right to be taken lightly, of course, and should be avoided whereever possible.

[PMC]

In my office right now I sit twenty feet from a 17 year girl.

She did in fact used to work for me, but at my request she's been moved next door.  During her time in my office, she'd openly behave in an apalling way simply to try my patience.  I've gone out of my way to be polite, professional and to make concessions and each time they've been spat back in my face.  To list all the things she's done would take me far too long and would take even longer to explain why she is still an employee.

The only time she's ever on her best behaviour is when she's openly threatened with dismissal.  Thankfully, the manager of the audit department has taken her under his wing, but is starting to experience the same problems as me.

By her own admission, she's been spoilt rotten and never taught how to behave at home.  If she doesn't get what she wants, she spits out the dummy and stamps her feet in defiance.

This is the kind of chiled growing up today.  I hate to say "when I was a kid" because I had a father who wasn't afraid to use bullying tactics on me, but for the most part we had respect for others.  

Now the message is "do what you like kids, if you don't like it then no-one can do anything about it".  Ordinarily I'd describe myself as a liberal-left wing type, but when it comes to matters of crime & punishment and delinqency I'm as right wing as it gets...  Bring back the birch.

[Cymric]

My girlfriend told the following story: there was a TV documentary about manners, and how to raise children in such a way that they are polite and kind to others. So the makers of that documentary went to a school and filmed classes of children being taught Manners 101. At the end of the day, the children left class, but the teacher had a small gift for each of them (I think it was a piece of fruit, or a small sweet). Each and every child said 'thank you'. One of the parents, who was witnessing the entire event, came up to her little child, and said, 'Yes, but you've got to remember that Mizz Teach is a bit old-fashioned, you don't need to say thank you.'

[PMC]

Actually, my ex assistant shares some amusing traits with this character from "Little Britain".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/littlebritain/pictures/wallpaper/images/school_1024.jpg

Matt Lucas said he got the inspiration for Vicky Pollard by watching teenagers in his local town.

[whabang]

EW!
:vomit:

[PMC]

@Whabang,

If you get the chance to see any clips of Little Britain, Vicky Pollards character is a fascinating insight into chav culture.

[X-ray]

@ PMC

 :lol:

That Pollard makes me laugh, man.
But seriously, I was a naughty little sod on many an occasion at school and I got a caning when I went to far. I also wouldn't dare speak to my parents (or any adult in fact) the way I've seen many a youngster here carry on. It is the lack of discipline and respect for others that will make crime difficult to control in the future. For instance I told a bunch of kids to stop throwing eggs at me from a balcony on a housing estate, and these kids responded with language I don't even use on the squash court. They know how to get away with it: one of their quips was that I must stop speaking to them because it means I'm a paedophile. And if I was to throw eggs back, or clip one around the earhole and he went crying to mummy, there would be one X-ray in jail and one smug little maggot beaming from the balcony.

[Dan]

whabang wrote:
Here in Sweden, a guy was freed from the accusations of child abuse a while ago. He publically slapped his 14 year-old daughter after she spat him in the face for not buying her a DVD-movie that she wanted.

There was a great outrage among children's-righs activists, and PC-lefties, but the court thankfully decided that a fostering slap is not child abuse.

The difference is that a 14 year old isn´t perceived as a child in this situation. If she had been 3-4 years younger I´m sure the verdict had been different.