Been away for a while... What's new?

[carls]

My intention with this post is not to troll or start a flame war, I've just been away from the Amiga news flow for quite some time.

Is AmigaOS 4 released in a full version (non-beta)?
Has the Amiga Inc. vs. (Genesi|Staff|etc.) trials been cleared. Who owns the IP etc. now?
What about the things I hear about Genesi; have they pulled an Amiga Inc. and refused to pay their employees?

Just need a quick recap, thanks in advance ;-)

[GadgetMaster]

OS4 is not yet done. There have been a few updates to the pre-release that make it much better than before and quite usable but the final release is still pending.

There has been deadly silence regarding the A.inc / Thendic court case. I don't know what the conclusion was, if any.

I think KMOS own the IP now. They are not being very public at the moment so noone knows exactly what they are upto.

Genesi seem to be in the news lately. The reasons you will find out by reading up on the matter. Suffice to say that they have some 'not very happy' ex-employees and there is a lot of blame shifting going on. Again the matter is not totally clear. They also seem to be shifting more towards linux and the future funding of MorphOS is uncertain.

[carls]

Thanks GadgetMaster!

[Lando]

carls wrote:

Has the Amiga Inc. vs. (Genesi|Staff|etc.) trials been cleared.

Amiga Inc lost and were ordered to port AmigaDE to Pegasos.  Then they appealed against the decision and lost the appeal too.

Who owns the IP etc. now?

KMOS owns the name and the OS.  Gateway still own the patents.

What about the things I hear about Genesi; have they pulled an Amiga Inc. and refused to pay their employees?

Basically, yeah.  

They're still paying most of their employees, but there wasn't enough money to pay everyone so they made the decision to only continue paying those they considered essential to their business.  

Those contractors who weren't being paid, were told that money was short and that they could carry on working on the understanding that they would be paid when the money was available.  Seems a few of them got tired of waiting and decided it would be a better idea to hold MorphOS to ransom rather than release version 1.5 .

[Minion]

Basically, nothing has happened in the past 4 years apart from zealots clinging on to a dying technology.
Amiga realted technology can no longer do anything better that any other recently supported OS.
She has died.  Its just that some people STILL dont realise it. :|
Oh yeah, the "market" is stiull full of halfwits that think they can run a company bvased on their outdated belief that "amiga is great" or some other {bleep} like that.

[kd7ota]

Minion wrote:
Basically, nothing has happened in the past 4 years apart from zealots clinging on to a dying technology.
Amiga realted technology can no longer do anything better that any other recently supported OS.
She has died.  Its just that some people STILL dont realise it. :|
Oh yeah, the "market" is stiull full of halfwits that think they can run a company bvased on their outdated belief that "amiga is great" or some other {bleep} like that.

Wow..... Strong words to say...


If you really don't want to use the Amiga, just don't use it.  :-)

Really, i think its just AmigaOS4 getting ready and MOS still having some issues really.

[HyperionMP]

>Amiga realted technology can no longer do anything better >that any other recently supported OS.

If you succeed in booting WinXP of a 128 MB CF card, let me know.

[Effy]

HyperionMP : are you suggesting you need 128 Mb of storage space to install OS4  :lol:

[Tahoe]

HyperionMP wrote:
>Amiga realted technology can no longer do anything better >that any other recently supported OS.

If you succeed in booting WinXP of a 128 MB CF card, let me know.

I did boot Win XP from a 1GB USB stick. And ofcourse from a CD...
What I would like to try is running 3 1GB USB sticks in RAID5. That would be funny having them redundant

[Kronos]

Well, QNX boots from 1 1.44MB floppy (not sure if it's the newest version), and thats an OS done by a REAL company with REAL developer-support and features that won't be in any Amiga-like-OS anytime soon.

Heck you can even run Amiga-SW with the help of QNX-UAE...eh pardon me... Amiga-XL that is  :lol:

"Amiga" is a hobby-platform and has been one for atleast the last 5 years, and you'll need arguments much more convincing than "it's small" before you will see any of the OSes being used in commercial applications that go beyond 100 units/year.

[HyperionMP]

Quite frankly, I won't waste my time trying to convince you of anything.

I do regret very vividly the fact that you did not go Beos as you had promised on ANN all these years ago

[Argus]

@HyperionMP

Don't listen to the naysayers.  There are many people who are quietly watching the progress of 4.0 and are ready to jump on board with the final release.  Keep up the good work!!:)

[HopperJF]

Yes ignore the fool who thinks we cling onto our old technology, he obviously hasn't heard of the A1

Keep up with the good work

[itix]

Nothing happened lately. Genesi joined to Amiga Inc camp and refuses to pay, but that is all. Amiga user base keeps shrinking, dealers are disappearing one by one and new developments are announced to the next year. And users keep telling everything is fine.

[Kronos]

@Ben

Me and BeOS ?? You really should stop smoking whatever you smoke....

I never was into BeOS, and the only time I even installed was in early 2003, which prooved it's a pile ......

But I quite clearly do remember hearing "great thinks in the making" posts from you over the last years. All very vaque and all without any real result sofar.

Now instead of just putting me down you could have just told us what would be the selling point of OS4 (outside a few 1000 fanatics), when "it's small" certainly is not one. You can get a dozen of Linux-distros, dedicated OSes, and even WinCE to run on much less these days.

And that is without having to buy an overpriced/underpowered PPC-mobo (or as an alternative negotiate a lincence with a ghost-company in the vain hope that another small company might break their habit and actually delievers the port on schedule).

@Argus
Those people that are "waiting for OS4-final" are the same that:
- Didn't buy an A2000 as they waited for the price to drop
- Didn't buy an A3000 as they waited for the A4000
- Didn't buy an A4000 as they waited for more AGA-enabled SW
- Didn't buy an Escom-Amiga as the waited got the Walker
- Didn't buy 3.5/9 as they waited for Gateway/Amino to realize their QNX/Linux/Intent-dreams.

Saying "I'll buy if xxxx" is much easier than shelling out >1000EUR for a system that still is and will probraly allways be very limited in what one can do with it compared to the much cheaper options.

And how many are their sitting on the fence ? 1000 ? Maybe 2000 ? It would need atleast 10000 people not just buying A1/OS4 but also SW developed for it till one could talk about a profitable market that might bring new proffessional developers to the scene.

@HopperJF
The A1 IS old tech, basicly the same board that MAI failed to commercialze back in 2001. O.k. they packed it into a smaller format added a few gimmicks and maybe they even fixed some bugs, but in the heart of it, it is still tech from 2001, at prices from 1995....

Even if we forget the medicore HW, whats the point of it without adequte SW ?
Add all the stuff that has been announced over that last 2 years, and you'd still get a very thin layer of SW, and that is if all of it would actully be finished, something which is very unlikely for anyone with any experince in the market.