Goodness, A4000 couldn't help myself

[nex4060]

Robert17 wrote:
I thought the A4000 motherboard took Zips or something, or am I thinking of The A3000?  :-?

Robert

That would be the A3000. A4000D/T takes Simm memory modules

[Brian]

@Framiga

Please... No need to go there...


@Robert17

That Micronik tower is the bomb. I had one like that several years back and it's realy well made. With the kind of work "red" have shown in how it's possible to fit the Prom into a A4000D I don't think you'll have to worry about fitting it in this tower. The market is filled with good and bad SCSI controllers... some that perform even worse when put in a Zorro3 slot... the Octagon goes into the last category. For driving the CDRom I guess it'll do but if you intend to connect harddrives and the like to the SCSI chain get another controller first.

[Robert17]

What I'd really like is CyberSCSI  :-D  But alas it'll have to wait until after christmas I think, however I've never had a cd-rom on an amiga before so it'll be an experience, worth upgrading to 3.9 dya think?

Robert

[X-ray]

@ Robert

CyberSCSI is a module that attaches to a Cyberstorm accelerator (you can't buy a CyberSCSI module and use it by itself). If you want to go that route, you will have to get a Cyberstorm first. And if you're going to get a Cyberstorm, you can do yourself a favour by trying to get a MK3 because it has an onboard Ultra-wide SCSI controller. You'll battle to find a Cyberstorm MK3 for sale though.
But the alternative is worse: trying to get a MK2 (which has no onboard SCSI) and then trying to find the CyberSCSI module for it. And you might find that a MK2 and a CyberSCSI module cannot be overclocked (that is how it is with mine). And the CyberSCSI is not Ultra-wide, it is Fast SCSI which is slower. So if I were you I would ask myself a little question: "How much am I willing to spend on an accelerator for my A4000?"
If you don't have a cash problem, then go for an accelerator that has an onboard SCSI (don't try to get the two components separately).
But if cash is tight, then you should get a Zorro-based SCSI controller like the Z3 Fastlane or the A4091.

[doctorq]

The WarpEngine also has a built in SCSI controller as well as 4 x 72 pins sockets for holding 128 MB ram, so that might also be an option. It's only a 040 but should be cheaper than a CyberStorm anyway.

[Robert17]

X-Ray, yeah I knew about the cyberstorm thing, I just wrote cyberscsi because it was shorter than saying the scsi on a cyberstorm, anyway, unfortunately I don't have more money than sense  :lol: but what I'd really like is a Cyberstorm Mark III 060 or a Cyberstorm PPC, I've seen the PPC for sale on a website for reasonable prices, what is a good price for a CSIII 060, or a CSPPC?

Robert

[Lemmink]

I have to disagree with X-Ray about the MKIII. In my oppinion it was well overpriced the day it came out and still usually is when bought used.
To sum up the benefits of a MKIII over an MKII:

- Faster RAM-interface (64 bit, you have to have two matching RAM-modules in socket 1,3 and 2,4)

- SCSI onboard and UW instead of fast SCSI-II with the MKII SCSI-modul (but you hardly feel the speed in everyday use, as long as you don`t move huge amount of data e.g many GB around every day, or when makeing a total Backup. I managed to get 26 MB/s out of my CSPPC at best compared to about 8MB/s with my MKII / SCSI-kit)

- Bootmenu that lets you configure the SCSI-controller and kill the onboard IDE and aktivate a preparemul like option.

- Possability to connect a CVisionPPC (but there really is no point of doing so without a PPC, for 2D any ZIII card is more then good enough and for 3D stuff a bare 060 lacks the power, though I have heard Freespace should be playable with that setup)

Another Problem is that it has the same 68k-socket dieing Problem as the CSPPC as it is the same design.

If money it tight try to get a MKII / CyberSCSI kombo (alternatively a Fastlane ZIII is a good option too, but make sure it has a 8.x ROM). If you stumble over a pile of money you have no better use for go all the way and get a CSPPC.

As for prices, I don`t know how it is in the UK but here in germany this are common going prices:

MKII 060: ~100-120 EUR
SCSI-Kit: ~ 60-70 EUR

MKIII 060: ~ 200 EUR

CSPPC 060/200: ~ 380-430 EUR

CSPPC 040/180: ~ 200-250 EUR

[Robert17]

I have seen that computercity in Rotterdam have a Cyberstorm PPC 060 50mhz with 233mhz 604e for 456 Euro, so thats... £320, not bad I guess, I'd pay £320 for it, just not yet lol, maybe buy an A3640, sort out rtg and bits and bobs, get it so I can use it as an everyday machine, MAS player for mp3s... then a shiny expensive accelerator later  :-D

Robert

[X-ray]

@ Lemmink

According to the prices you are quoting (which I would like to see in reality) he can get a MKII with a SCSI module for 160 - 190 Euro, and he can get a MKIII for 200 Euro.

So at best he saves 40 Euros and at worst he saves 10 Euros (assuming he can even find a CyberSCSI module for the MKII).

Does that seem like a sensible thing for him to do, if your prices are right?

[Framiga]

@Brian

@Framiga

Please... No need to go there...

?!?  :-?

[adz]

/me cues Twilight Zone music...

You are wrong..

Now, where have I heard that remarkable phrase before???

[patrik]

@Framiga, Brian:

You two are a fun bunch ;=). You are both arguing that it's the Mikronik riserboard, whilst telling the other one he is wrong ;=).

Party on dudes!


/Patrik

[Framiga]

@adz

eh, eh yes i know :roll:

And it is for this reason, that i suggest Brian to think twice, before say: "You are wrong" again :-)

[Framiga]

Patrik

althoug i agree that it is funny but, i've NEVER said to no one "you are wrong" in my life . . never.

Doommy had in habit to say that . . . and now Brian too :-).

[patrik]

@Framiga:

I definately agree that you didn't say that exact sentence, but you have to agree that with the way you answered, you were more than implying that he was wrong.

You both seem like very nice blokes so there should be no need to argue more about this, especially as the reason for the argument is misunderstanding from both sides from the very beginning.


/Patrik

[Karlos]

Breach of the peace at 2am.

You're all nicked! :lol: