OS4, When ?

[downix]

@Rogue

Most of all it doesn't give anyone the right to proclaim that OS 4 will not be out this year. That is something that can only be said on December 31st, not a second earlier.

Actually, you're assuming that release can be instaneously handled.  Once the final-release form of the OS is established, you've got packaging, distribution, documentation, and most of all PUBLISHING to accomplish.  It takes 2-3 weeks for open-source CVS'd roll-your-own projects to go from code-done to public dissemination.  

Realistically, one can take an estimation of progress based on work done to date and work remaining to be done.  Will it be accurate, no, but it's a guestimate.  Ben Yoris did such a guestimate, based on his own experience.  You're free to make your own, based on your experience.

Myself, I'm awaiting AOS4's arrival, so we can show precisely why we have the superior product.  It's hard to compete with a ghost.

[Alkemyst]

Actually, you're assuming that release can be instaneously handled. Once the final-release form of the OS is established, you've got packaging, distribution, documentation, and most of all PUBLISHING to accomplish. It takes 2-3 weeks for open-source CVS'd roll-your-own projects to go from code-done to public dissemination.

Realistically, one can take an estimation of progress based on work done to date and work remaining to be done. Will it be accurate, no, but it's a guestimate. Ben Yoris did such a guestimate, based on his own experience. You're free to make your own, based on your experience.

Myself, I'm awaiting AOS4's arrival, so we can show precisely why we have the superior product. It's hard to compete with a ghost.

Your clearly on the whined up.

& your comment is rude.

Like hyperion have never published anything before.

Unlike you who i have never seen or bought anything wich you have done.

Rouge its upto you ofcorse but if i were you i would not honer Downix (who works for Genesi) with a reply.

[HMetal]

Personally, I think it's time to go to every MOS/Genesi post and add "AmigaOS 0wnz" to every one of them like Genesi's buddies and employees do.

Can you guys, just once, not put your unsolicited $.02 in where it is not wanted or needed?  This post is NOT about your product, it is about "AmigaOS 4"  or did you not figure that out from the topic title?

Hey, better yet, why not just start a "Johnson" topic where you dolts can debate the size of your "hardware." :lol:

[downix]

@HMetal

Uh... Ray... you guys do that already.

And I did discuss AOS4 specifically in the post, to be specific bringing up such issues as "distribution" and "time to market."  In other words, discussing the post-development stages of AOS4.  Seems pretty on-topic to me.  Also pointed out Ben Yoris's opinions and where he drew them from, while also validating Hans' rebuttal of them.  They saw two different areas of development, and drew differing conclusions based on them.  Happens a lot in development.

As for size of hardware, you guys win there.  Egads, that board is friggin HUGE!

[HMetal]

downix wrote:
@HMetal
Uh... Ray... you guys do that already.

Come on now Nate. I have, as much as I have wanted to do otherwise, stayed clear of commenting under MOS/Genesi specific topics on amiga.org.  Even though Amiga hosts the server, we have given Wayne the leeway to run his site as HE sees fit.  This you cannot deny unless you put some silly imaginary spin on it.

As for size of hardware, you guys win there.  Egads, that board is friggin HUGE!

Well, to be technical, it isn't Amiga's board, it's Eyetech's  :-P

Regardless, couldn't you have made those comments without the troll-bait that you ended with?  It was, up until that point, a good response.  ;-)

[The_Editor]

I dont think Hmetal was referring to MoBo's :lol:

[downix]

HMetal wrote:

downix wrote:
@HMetal
Uh... Ray... you guys do that already.

Come on now Nate. I have, as much as I have wanted to do otherwise, stayed clear of commenting under MOS/Genesi specific topics on amiga.org.  Even though Amiga hosts the server, we have given Wayne the leeway to run his site as HE sees fit.  This you cannot deny unless you put some silly imaginary spin on it.

I was using "you guys" generically, not meaning you specifically.  You've always been easier to talk to about things

As for size of hardware, you guys win there.  Egads, that board is friggin HUGE!

Well, to be technical, it isn't Amiga's board, it's Eyetech's  :-P

Regardless, couldn't you have made those comments without the troll-bait that you ended with?  It was, up until that point, a good response.  ;-)

If you're referring to the motherboard size, I did not intend that to be troll-bait, I was actually trying to make a joke.  Sorry if that didn't come across well.  

As for the competition, I actually do want to see AOS4 arrive and put the two OS's head-to-head in order to compare them. Same as I'd like to put Pegasos up against the AmigaONE.  

If MorphOS does show up deficient, it means there's an area to work on, and we have a detail to base it on.  Same with the Pegasos.  It's competition which dirves everything forward!  Without it, both camps will stagnate and eventually die off!

Of course, part of me is still holding out for a cooperative effort, but I just don't see that coming anytime soon.

[Alkemyst]

If you're referring to the motherboard size, I did not intend that to be troll-bait, I was actually trying to make a joke. Sorry if that didn't come across well.

a Black comedian making jokes about black ppl is taken differently to a white comedian   making jokes about black ppl.

You working for genesi makes your jokes about eyetech's products in this thread not funny at all.

Im sure you have been alive long enough to know when a joke would more likely be taken as one.

[Kronos]

@Alkemyst


Hmmm it was Ray who wrote about the size of the HW first, and
I'm 100% sure he meant the board, cos in no way he would violate
Waynes posting rules with making sexually offending remarks,
wouldn't he ?

So relax  :-D

[DaveP]

Look we all know who the trolls are that see
every thread with the words Amiga Inc or OS4 or
whatever as an excuse to post a load of childish
heckling. We all know their usernames and their
posting history.

We know why they do it and what they think they
have to gain out of it.

But like the recent stupid personal attack on bbrv
that was started on this mainline forum it has the
opposite effect.

I just find myself rolling my eyes in disdain every
time I see a post by the usual suspects. Its like
listening to a broken record.

Then, if you nip over to ANN you see a similar if almost reversed situation occurring with anything
Genesi related.

But then you also notice the reverse of that reverse
happening with anything AOS4 or A1 related.

The same sad old bastards trot out their propaganda
wheezes in an exercise of self flaggelation.

Get over it and for once - please - lets have a discussion that doesn't look like playground yaa-boo ####?

[Alkemyst]

@DaveP

I agree i will be keeping out from now on with such stupid fighting.

I have been watching Ann & Amiga.org for many years before ever signing up or posting.

I have found myself getting pulled deeper & deeper into such crap as i see too many ppl who are 2 faced with what they say here to what they say on Ann or god forbid Moobunny.

i have more respect for ppl who are consistent  wether good or bad.

Ignore the flame bait.

[Rogue]

downix wrote:

Actually, you're assuming that release can be instaneously handled.  Once the final-release form of the OS is established, you've got packaging, distribution, documentation, and most of all PUBLISHING to accomplish.  It takes 2-3 weeks for open-source CVS'd roll-your-own projects to go from code-done to public dissemination.  

Are you kidding me? I've seen and lived through quite a number of commercial releases in the meantime, among these where Shogo, Heretic II, Freespace, SiN/Linux, Shogo/Linux, Shogo/Mac, and a few others. You don't need to tell me how long this takes, I know this pretty well.

OK, so let's correct my original statement: You cannot make this call before December 1st. Better? That still does not mean March 1st. OK?

Realistically, one can take an estimation of progress based on work done to date and work remaining to be done.  Will it be accurate, no, but it's a guestimate.  Ben Yoris did such a guestimate, based on his own experience.  You're free to make your own, based on your experience.

Ben Yoris made a guestimate and posted this on a public forum, whereas he didn't have any rights to do so. I used to be a friend of his, but honestly he lacks the knowledge to make such a call.

Myself, I'm awaiting AOS4's arrival, so we can show precisely why we have the superior product.  It's hard to compete with a ghost.

Wait until it is released, then we will compete.

[redfox]

 :smack:  :whack:  :flame:

I see the kids are at it again ....  :roll: