A post confirming stuff about MorphOS

[Coder]

@redrumloa

Those are funny smileys. :-) I wonder who you are mooning here. :-P

Coder

[Coder]

@seer

Certain people are very good with words, some people keep believing every lie told from 1 or several persons.

I am handsome, really. :-P

Coder

[seer]

I am handsome, really. :-P

Like J J Jameson said; if he's a hero why is he wearing a mask ? What has he got to hide...

In your case, if that's true, why that paperbag at first and later a bucket  :-)

Well, I guess we've got to take your girlfriends word for it huh ? (Her nick was Imation orsomething ? )


/edit,

Just trying to get your lovely girlfriend back online ;-)

[Coder]

@seer

:-) That is her nick. And she is my wife now. I think she has a bucket fetish thing. :-P

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@mdma/TheMagicM

Speak. It cannot be that bad? Right?

Coder

Last time I commented on this subject I was moderated 4 times.

[Coder]

@mdma

Last time I commented on this subject I was moderated 4 times.

Say no more. I get the point.

Coder

[mikrucio]

One the other side of things, this is really bad news
because MorphOS is a VERY very good operating system.
we will see if the final release of OS4 can compare to it's power. but from those words on the site
release 1.5 will probably never come out.

 :-?  :pissed:

I agree that it's incredibly bad news, because the developers poured their hearts into it and you're probably right, there won't be a 1.5, at least the 1.5 that they (Genesi) were promising.

There were promises made to pay developers for MorphOS.  Giving Buck the benefit of doubt (which is difficult for me), they paid for development through 1.4.  Now that they have gotten certain key parts (I have no idea whether or not they have the source to things like MUI) built into 1.4, he sees no point in paying for anything else.  Trouble is, he probably (oops) forgot to tell the developers who've gone unpaid for months about that little fact.  Looking at it logistically, the four people listed on MorphOS.net (there are many more) are responsible for key parts of MorphOS(such as MUI) which -- once Genesi has the source code -- they really have no use for any longer.  

Hypothetically speaking : Why should Genesi continue to pay for something they publicly stated that they "bought" and "own" when they can just take the 1.4 code they supposedly paid for, "steal it" then find cheaper programmers to continue development?

[mikrucio]

true that.

well i am certainly glad that os4 is backed by a reputable company like hyperion. and they have the resources to continue with os4. iv got my cash saved and im just waiting for the release....

feel sorry for morph tho..

 :-)  :lol:

[Coder]

@Wayne

Hypothetically speaking : Why should Genesi continue to pay for something they publicly stated that they "bought" and "own" when they can just take the 1.4 code they supposedly paid for, "steal it" then find cheaper programmers to continue development?

Hypothetically?

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[DonnyEMU]

This is sad and all I can say is the community strikes again shooting itself in the foot.. When are we gonna get over airing dirty laundry.. A deep hearty thanks to the poster who has really put the morphOS end user's investment in the product in danger..

Morphos Statement


Quote from the Genesi/PlanB MorphOS statement:

Genesi SARL  bplan GmbH
A Statement Concerning MorphOS

...

The posts against Genesi made on MorphOS.net are unfortunate. These actions of a single person have damaged our discussions with major strategic partners and have cast doubt on Genesi and MorphOS. There has never been any disagreement about paying for development, in fact more than $500,000 have been paid to MorphOS developers and for MorphOS licenses. There has been disagreement however, how much and for what to pay for.

MorphOS does not currently drive significant sales of the platform. It is our hope that one day it will, but this will not be achieved without the majority of the Company's resources being focused on activities that generate revenue and profit.
....

[Cymric]

DonnyEMU wrote:
This is sad and all I can say is the community strikes again shooting itself in the foot.. When are we gonna get over airing dirty laundry..

That won't happen. Dirty laundry is basically all this entire community has left. What strikes me as odd is that people continue to support the platform despite everything that has happened to it.

[dammy]

Kinda reminds me of some lyrics from Guns and Roses' Civil War:

"That you can't trust freedom
When it's not in your hands
When everybody's fightin'
For their promised land"

Dammy
AROS-Max

Donny,

I agree with you that the current state of affairs is indeed sad, but your comments strike me as if from someone who simply doesn't understand the situation in the Amiga community.  (no insult is intended)

I started this site 10 years ago, having run an Amiga-oriented BBS for untold years before that.  I've literally run the gamut between seeing the world's largest computer community with a fantastic machine (which beat everything else on the planet) to what we see now as an abandoned platform with little hope.

Since the untimely death of Commodore (really since 1996/97), we've dealt with one company after another who've really bungled their way through thing, either through fraud or incompetence, leaving the community to shrink and causing the remaining few (the real zealots) become more and more cynnical and hostile over protecting what they see as their "holy grail" of computing.

I don't really care which people choose to support, because there currently only exists the choice "between idiots and thieves".  Those choices of course being between Amiga Inc and Genesi.  I -- for one -- think it's completely stupid and will never understand why people supporting either "side" have drawn such a wide line between themselves and refuse to accept that both platforms are virtually identical.  

Unfortunately, since I began operating Amiga.org in 1995, I've seen this community shrink from hundreds of thousands (most of whom weren't online then) to roughly 1,000 or so, almost all of whom are online.  We as a community have been ignored, lied to, shafted, and just plain screwed for so many years, the only thing that would save us from this self-destructive cynicism is a real company with real plans, and a real way to get us there.  In a very real way, I'm very afraid that we lost that opportunity when Gateway stepped out of the picture.

In the end, Just keep in mind that most of the people you see here suffer from "soap opera dramatitis" where the Amiga is concerned.  The loudest of them usually aren't even Amiga users, but just kids who get a rise out of starting trouble.

Wayne Hunt

mdma,

I have asked you repeatedly not to use avatars of a nazi nature, and painting a Hitler mustache on Dubya still applies.  Remove your avatar, or I will finally remove you.  This is your last warning.

Wayne

Donny,

To keep my "arguments" seperated, I have to strongly disagree with your dissertation that all of this is the fault of one person (presumably you're pointing the finger at David Gerber).  What you are apparently not aware of is the FACT that there is a very long list (currently about 12 to 15 people that I personally am aware of) who have worked for Genesi without being fully paid for their services (myself included).

I'm sure the four people on that list did not arbitrarily decide in unison one day to wake up and post that to the Web site.  If they're anything like me, they've probably spent months trying to get their money out of Bill Buck and have taken the only step they feel is left to them at this point.  After months of trying without success, there is a tendency to "give up" on the idea of ever seeing the money you're owed and decide to take the only action left to them.

Seriously Donny, I understand situational changes, but If there is indeed one person to blame for this situation, it's Bill Buck for making commitments that he had ZERO intention of following through with, followed closely by certain SBN's who, in the interest of gaining favor -- or perhaps even their own paychecks -- are trying fervently to do damage control and actually excuse Bill Buck for screwing his people.  

It's AMAZING to watch the number of people (myself included) that Bill Buck is backpeddling to, now claiming that "they didn't do any work" or "there is a disagreement as to how much is owed" (as I said, 12 to 15 by my last known count -- myself included).  Taken in context of the number of people lying in his wake -- all getting the same song and dance -- it cannot be some ignorable coincidence, and he most definitely has lost any right he may have ever had to present himself as a "victim" or "martyr" in all of this.

If I were a real company, I wouldn't touch Buck with "my third-cousin's uncle's sister's roommate's" 10-foot pole.