Amiga Inc ALIVE! Fixed XE and good news :-)

weirdami wrote:
@Orjan

I remember saying it before, but AI being a subsidiary has brought it back to the way things were before. Every "Amiga" company was always a subsidiary until AI came along. Now, with KMOS, it's back to it's roots as a subsidiary. :-)

Hi-Toro wasn't a subsiduary! :-P

[clebin]

@Cymric

Logic only goes so far, but that doesn't make a decision based on emotion, gut instinct or something else subjective illogical. You seem to know the answer, but don't really understand it.

You know what your preferences are when you find yourself almost involuntarily doing something. It's not something you can make grand statements on an internet forum about.

If you're looking for someone to say "yes, I admit it, the logical thing is to buy a PC. I must be stupid, but I still prefer using an Amiga for the same things. I can explain some of it, but not all of it" then fine. Does that make you feel superior because you're so efficient and logical about everything?

Taking my earlier point about working around problems. Yes, for a while I dual-booted my Mac and ran apps in Classic. But I still found myself booting OS X because the things it COULD do it did in a more pleasing way.

And it obviously worked out, because now I have no need for anything else. I even use it at work and it still puts a smile on my face where Windows makes me frown. I think it's the best OS in the world right now.

Obviously some of us see OS 4 the same way and the hardships of owning 2 machines or dual-booting are hardly the end of the world.

Let's say OS 4 improves, the apps you want come out, the hardware falls in price and you can put it all into an A1200-style Amiga Fantasy case and plug it into you  TV. Even you, Cymric, might end up buying one and enjoying it.

It's all very well you jumping on board then, but don't go criticising the people who are putting the money in now, keeping it afloat and trying to make that future happen.

Chris

[AmiGR]

Actually no, Windows users do not take FTP support for granted.
I had been a Windows user for many years, Explorer's
FTP support is so HORRIBLY broken that it's absolutely useless.
Sometimes, it practically locks up waiting for the FTP server
to reply. Either you have to wait for it to timeout or you just kill it,
as I used to do.

[clebin]

It's usually been OK for me, although it's a real pain when Explorer locks up. Believe me though, OS X's FTP support is even worse and also locks up the Finder (...although it's usually easier to restart)

I don't what Microsoft's problem is, but Apple have neglected the Finder shamefully. They're not small companies - you'd think they could get FTP right!

Chris

[SHADES]

Or the FTP program may end up on AMINET when OS4 gets released.

Plenty of people program up apps and release them to the public on AMINET. One of my favourites was CSH.

I love AMINAEt. When OS4 is out and people go update, AMINET is going to be a huge + for this platform.

[ikir]

@ Shades
You can find a lot of OS4 native software on:
www.os4depot.net

It also cross upload to aminet the files if the author wants it.

[Waccoon]

Well, I'm surprised anything is happening, but I'd rather have an official announcement of some sort.  It hardly costs anything to maintain a web page.

From the AmigaWorld article:  "Since you weren't at the show you don't get any more details than that so next time make sure to show up."

Gee, thanks.  Why do Amiga fans still seem to think keeping everything under wraps is a good thing?  Not a peep from Amiga (officially) for months and people are still excited.

AGG in the video is impressive :-O

I agree with Cymric.  I'd be more impressed if, at least, Amiga was doing it, but you can get AGG for any platform already.  It's like all the Java apps Amiga bundled with the SDK.  Hey, Java isn't available for the PC or Linux, is it?

I wanna see something Amiga has done, not standard demos that have been ported from other platforms.

bootdelay was 3-4 sec, and OS selection 20 sec

On my Win2000 system, I get a bootdelay of 10 sec, and Windows boots in 43 seconds.  Of course, I'm running MySQL, Apache, and various other dev tools.  If I turn all that stuff off, it boots in 18 seconds -- with Norton Antivirus.  ;-)

Really, I don't care how fast it boots.  An extra 5 seconds won't kill me.  I care how well it runs.

I don't what Microsoft's problem is, but Apple have neglected the Finder shamefully. They're not small companies - you'd think they could get FTP right!

"Ordinary" people don't use FTP, so the big boys could care less...

...and the small boys can't afford to do it well...

...so you end up having to use 3rd party tools no matter what.   Unless you *really* enjoy using command-line FTP.  :-)

[AmiGR]

lftp r0Xx0Rz! :-) If you asked me some months ago, if I would have ever used a shell based
ftp client, I would laugh... It turned out that lftp is more that good in the end. :-)

[bloodline]

It's all very well you jumping on board then, but don't go criticising the people who are putting the money in now, keeping it afloat and trying to make that future happen.
 

That would make sense if you were investing in a superior platform to what is out there right now... But as it is you are keeping afloat a system that is (in hardware terms) several generations behind, and much more expensive than currently available and supporting a software platform that suffers from a vendor lock in...

While I agree with supporting the software platform (ie OS4), I can't agree with supporting the museum exhibt that is the A1.

[BCP]

Bloodline... I would'nt be so sure about the obsoletness of the A1 XE's.  Right now I am online with my A1, using Ibrowse (full 68k version) with a DSL connection.  Even thou Ibrouse is running in emulation web surfing is much  faster and smoother than with I.E. on my 2200 mhz P4 laptop. Especially with OS4 the A1 with 800 mhz G4 compares very favorablely with the P4 laptop.  It seems to me that OS4 uses the A1's hardware resources far more efficently than XP uses the laptop's hardware.  The A1 may not be "state of the art" hardware but it appears to be far more than adequate for running Amiga OS.

- BCP, Indianapolis, IN USA
   

[Cymric]

BCP wrote:
Bloodline... I would'nt be so sure about the obsoletness of the A1 XE's.  Right now I am online with my A1, using Ibrowse (full 68k version) with a DSL connection.  Even thou Ibrouse is running in emulation web surfing is much  faster and smoother than with I.E. on my 2200 mhz P4 laptop. Especially with OS4 the A1 with 800 mhz G4 compares very favorablely with the P4 laptop.  It seems to me that OS4 uses the A1's hardware resources far more efficently than XP uses the laptop's hardware.  The A1 may not be "state of the art" hardware but it appears to be far more than adequate for running Amiga OS.

Please define 'much faster' and 'much smoother' in terms of browsing experience. What is running in the background? What kind of hardware are you using? What kind of graphics adapter is in the laptop? Are you using adequate drivers? Mind, I am not saying that what you report is not true, but I am trying to get an idea of the circumstances under which you compare the two systems/programs.

[clebin]

bloodline wrote:

That would make sense if you were investing in a superior platform to what is out there right now... But as it is you are keeping afloat a system that is (in hardware terms) several generations behind, and much more expensive than currently available and supporting a software platform that suffers from a vendor lock in...

While I agree with supporting the software platform (ie OS4), I can't agree with supporting the museum exhibt that is the A1.

Unfortunately supporting OS 4 means running it on such a machine. I'm sure Eyetech would want to sell a more powerful machine and have the numbers to sell it cheaply - I don't mind supporting the company that makes the AmigaOne even if the hardware is....um, not perfect.

As for vendor lock-in, well hopefully we'll see OS 4 on other platforms in time. It's not tied to AmigaOne and I know Hyperion would like to see it.

Your reasons not to buy one are perfectly legitimate. I respect that fully.

Chris

[ssolie]

@Wacoon

Gee, thanks. Why do Amiga fans still seem to think keeping everything under wraps is a good thing? Not a peep from Amiga (officially) for months and people are still excited.

You're welcome. :-P

[bloodline]

Your reasons not to buy one are perfectly legitimate. I respect that fully.

In retrospect, the tone of my post was harsher then I had intended. Fortunately you understood what I was saying :-)

[Waccoon]

Right now I am online with my A1, using Ibrowse (full 68k version) with a DSL connection.

That browser doesn't have CSS support, does it?  It's easy for a browser to be fast if it only supports rock-bottom standards.

Try running Voyager on the QNX demo floppy.  It's only 400K and fast as hell even with a flat-mode VGA driver with no hardware acceleration.  Of course, it also has no features at all.  :-)

[jeffimix]

Konqueror is blazing fast here, partially because it's always semi-loaded in the background, but even with loading pages it's very fast. The FTP was the most impressive part, it's very fast. *mucks about more in Qsynth and Ardour*