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Amiga Inc ALIVE! Fixed XE and good news :-)
« on: November 24, 2004, 09:37:31 AM »
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1899

Finally some good news from A Inc, they are still alive and busy :-)

MicroA1-C in stock and XE fixed :-D

 

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Re: Amiga Inc ALIVE! Fixed XE and good news :-)
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2004, 10:20:46 AM »
On Intuition Base there is a video from the show.
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Re: Amiga Inc ALIVE! Fixed XE and good news :-)
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2004, 11:10:02 AM »
finaly some good news, keep 'em comming :-)
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Re: Amiga Inc ALIVE! Fixed XE and good news :-)
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2004, 11:35:59 AM »
AGG in the video is impressive :-O
 

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Re: Amiga Inc ALIVE! Fixed XE and good news :-)
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2004, 01:00:36 PM »
Well... After seeing the video, what can I say as someone with no intention of getting an A1 or Pegasos.

The FTP-website bit was... how to put this without hurting anyone's feelings... well, I'm sure it's quite a step forwards for the platform, but I cannot help but say that it all appeared very archaic to me.

I'm happy to see that the jerkiness of OS4 window handling has disappeared: I recall seeing a video about a year ago which was pretty much the equivalent of msochism ;-). I liked the warping demo of both the lion and the fonts, but I have to add that this is really nothing special. You're seeing the result of (lots of) ordinary math, and some CPU power to make it fly. (What would be special is if this vector rendering takes the place of bitmap rendering throughout, but that idea is more than a little silly because of performance reasons.) And keep in mind, it does not use hardware rendering yet---which you really need for serious graphics work. You can add it to the library, we are told, but that takes more than just a bit of effort unless I'm terribly mistaken.

I found the start-up and reset time short, but not remarkable. Someone can be clearly heard saying Windows eat your heart out, but you can't really compare the two. Windows loads so much more into memory, and offers so much more functionality...

It would appear from the demo (in particular, the ease of the reset) that OS4 is still a standalone, single-user OS, which is fine with me, although it might make it less suitable for a computer in a household. Some might argue that this is just a load of bovine scatology, but I would very much prefer to make sure that other people using my computer cannot accidentally delete my stuff. I'm also not very happy with the idea of resetting a computer supporting virtual memory (even in the rudimentary form of OS4) as was shown in the video, but that is just my humble opinion.

OS4 really needs a proper directory lister as found in Windows' Explorer (well, not this particular program, but more the idea behind it :-)) or DOpus. I think I saw a few threads on this subject a while ago, so perhaps the problem's already been solved. In any case, all the windows opening across the screen lead to a lot of visual clutter, and you definitely need something in order to manage this.

It's good to see the ole' platform moving along, but I cannot help but wonder what the use is when everything shown can already be done on at least a dozen other major platforms with a much larger user base. Oh well, logic can only take you so far.

Now the real thing which is bugging me is how I can be on that video, as I was here in Amsterdam all the time :-D. There's someone there who has a profile just like me, same haircolour, same set of eyebrows, same set of glasses, same general build. Only the neck is different. I never knew I had a twin brother! I think it's time I confronted Mom & Dad ;-).
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Re: Amiga Inc ALIVE! Fixed XE and good news :-)
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2004, 01:08:01 PM »
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I found the start-up and reset time short, but not remarkable

bootdelay was 3-4 sec, and OS selection 20 sec.

You can boot OS4 in less than 20 sec. Mine boot in about 12-15, and a soft rebbot takes only 7 seconds.

OS4 is simply the best AmigaOS update ever, from the video you don't see many of the new features of OS4, this was only a show.

AGG imho is quite impressive.

I'm really happy of my A1, AmigaOS PPC was a dream long awaited. The best thing is to try it at a show.

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S4 really needs a proper directory lister as found in Windows' Explorer (well, not this particular program, but more the idea behind it ) or DOpus.

Dopus OS4 PPC native is coming.
 

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Re: Amiga Inc ALIVE! Fixed XE and good news :-)
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2004, 01:23:44 PM »
DOpus 4, ClassAction and DiskMaster 2 are all free and working very well. I like ClassAction best but it's only a matter of taste. I really hate Win Explorer though.
 

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Re: Amiga Inc ALIVE! Fixed XE and good news :-)
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2004, 01:44:35 PM »
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I'm happy to see that the jerkiness of OS4 window handling has disappeared:


Native graphics rules ;-) But actually, I was using OS4 with 68k graphics for months before the first prerelease was out and never found it difficult to live with. The fact that it now really flies is just a bonus...

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I liked the warping demo of both the lion and the fonts, but I have to add that this is really nothing special. You're seeing the result of (lots of) ordinary math, and some CPU power to make it fly.


No, I think you missed the point. Graphics.library is a very bare shell providing things like line drawing. Anti-grain geometry provides a library that programmers can use within their software that saves them from having to reinvent the wheel. What that demo shows is that it is fast enough for use wherever people need high quality vector graphics in their software, and saves them from having to reinvent the wheel. It also produces very high quality anti-aliased output. This provides a good foundation for programmers. THATs whats impressive about the demos, not the fact that you can warp a picture of a cat.


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I'm also not very happy with the idea of resetting a computer supporting virtual memory (even in the rudimentary form of OS4) as was shown in the video, but that is just my humble opinion.


Thats because your used to Windows and Linux. AmigaOS4 is being designed to allow you to "switch off at any time, provided the disk isn't accessing", the same as Amiga has always been.


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It's good to see the ole' platform moving along, but I cannot help but wonder what the use is when everything shown can already be done on at least a dozen other major platforms with a much larger user base.


The fact is, I just prefer AmigaOS. This is the only reason people are *currently* using OS4. It is a foundation for the future, it is not in itself the future. It is only the first step on a new section of the Amiga journey.
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Re: Amiga Inc ALIVE! Fixed XE and good news :-)
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2004, 01:53:17 PM »
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bootdelay was 3-4 sec, and OS selection 20 sec. You can boot OS4 in less than 20 sec. Mine boot in about 12-15, and a soft rebbot takes only 7 seconds.

As I said, short, but not impressive. I'm more concerned with uptime and crash resistence. You don't want to spend time turning on your computer all the time, and the ease of a reset to fix a problem (man, that PDF reader sure is burning CPU cycles, know what, I'm gonna reset, three-finger salute, poof) is an indication of both sloppy programming and sloppy use.

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OS4 is simply the best AmigaOS update ever, from the video you don't see many of the new features of OS4, this was only a show. AGG imho is quite impressive.

Oh, I don't doubt you there. I'm just wondering why people are so excited about something which is more or less old hat on other platforms, sometimes even using the same CPU. But as I said, logic can only take you so far.

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I'm really happy of my A1, AmigaOS PPC was a dream long awaited. The best thing is to try it at a show.

Again, no doubt there. But I have no intention of trying A1/OS4. Win2K and Linux serve me just fine, and do not restrict me as OS4 would when it comes to proper hard- and software selection.
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Re: Amiga Inc ALIVE! Fixed XE and good news :-)
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2004, 02:07:10 PM »
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Finally some good news from A Inc, they are still alive and busy :-)


Busy doing what, answering questions? The A1 is Eyetech's deal so I don't see what they're actually busy doing. I seem also to remember that the last time they answered questions it turned out they'd sold the IP to KMOS and so rendered all the answers totally meaningless anyway.
 

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Re: Amiga Inc ALIVE! Fixed XE and good news :-)
« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2004, 02:46:40 PM »
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Busy doing what, answering questions?


I agree. What we have now (AmigaOne/OS4) is not because of Amiga Inc. But hey they work in the shadows secretly on advanced things that will change the world. Or was that just a dream?

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Re: Amiga Inc ALIVE! Fixed XE and good news :-)
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2004, 03:09:27 PM »
eh, amiga inc doesn't exist.
this is old news.
why is anyone even bringing up the name???

and if anyone wants to see how cool OS4 is coming along (I'm talking about the continuous stream of updates sent to beta testers), find someone who has one and look at it live.

I've seen it and it's great.

yes, the XP problem is fixable and the micros don't have that issue.

come on guys, get up to speed, here  :-D
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« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2004, 03:15:26 PM »
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I agree. What we have now (AmigaOne/OS4) is not because of Amiga Inc. But hey they work in the shadows secretly on advanced things that will change the world. Or was that just a dream?


They may work in the shadows, but I suspect it's just because they couldn't afford to pay the electric bill.

I still stand by my statement that the best thing that could happen to Amiga would be to have Amiga Inc go under.  That way, the real heros (Hyperion, Eyetech, etc) don't have to pay royalties out their arses to a company that hasn't really done much for them except burn money.
 

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Re: Amiga Inc ALIVE! Fixed XE and good news :-)
« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2004, 03:17:45 PM »
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They may work in the shadows, but I suspect it's just because they couldn't afford to pay the electric bill.


Oh man that's a funny one! :-)

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Re: Amiga Inc ALIVE! Fixed XE and good news :-)
« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2004, 03:20:28 PM »

Ok, so Amiga Inc. no longer exists at all ( not even on paper ) or is it simply a subsidiary of Kmos ( in which case it would exist on paper )?

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