Aloe Vera juice...

[adz]

Cyberus wrote:
I went through a period of having dodgy guts, and having recently read an article about modern bread manufacture methods, and how they basically suck, I tried a week without bread, believe it or not (not easy to do actually) and I'm feeling a lot better for it and have been off bread ever since. Hard to believe but this faux diagnosis I applied has seemed to have worked.

Of course, I'm no health expert, but it may be worth trying to eliminate certain things from your diet. I have a friend who's a nutritionist, and he says that mild intolerances to, e.g. gluten, are quite common.

Was that refering only to mass produced bread, ie. SunnyCrust etc., or did it include bread from the local bakery?

[bjjones37]

Cyberus wrote:
I have a friend who's a nutritionist, and he says that mild intolerances to, e.g. gluten, are quite common.

I have heard that gluten intolerance is quite common but very rarely diagnosed.  I have a family member who suffered from it for years - called celiac disease I think - and just recently was diagnosed.  She changed her diet and some very unpleasant symptoms disappeared.

[X-ray]

@ Kenny and Karlos

Don't you guys get a terrible 'ring sting' from all that hot food?

[Karlos]

The old pacific rim? Ring of fire?

Sometimes - but to be honest I find it usually isn't caused by things high in chilli content :-/

It's also really strange that I find some things hot that other people don't and yet basic highly spiced foods don't bother me in the least. Furthermore, I seem to be able to enjoy subtle tastes which tends to dispell the idea that spice abuse kills the tongue ;-)

[Cyberus]

I tend to eat curry at least once a week - Madras, Dhansak and Pathia and to a lesser extend Vindaloo are my favourites. Phaal is all very well, but of you like accompaniaments with your main dish (I like Sag Bhajji or Chana dishes), it completely overpowers the taste.

The one that always seems to give me serious 'ring sting' is Jalfrezi. That's the strange thing, on the whole I can eat red hot curries, and it doesn't touch me.

The thing that would always do me in would be, for example, a nasty prepackaged sandwich - bizarre.

edit: which led to me believe it was maybe bread that was causing it.

[Vincent]

bjjones37 wrote:
I have heard that gluten intolerance is quite common but very rarely diagnosed.  I have a family member who suffered from it for years - called celiac disease I think - and just recently was diagnosed.  She changed her diet and some very unpleasant symptoms disappeared.

My twin sister was diagnosed with Coeliac when she was 10 (I think).  I was taken in for tests at the same time (when the only way to tell was a tube down the throat) but I was clear.

I've since been tested for Coeliac and Diabetes (along with 4 other things that I can't remember now, but possibly a white blood count and thyroid) when I started getting IBS a few years back, and they all showed nothing.  Pity that.  I was hoping something would be abnormal, that way it's easier to solve.  But nothing showing up (even after another tube down the choker) is just irritating (extremely bad pun intended).

4 years later and nothing's worked.

--edit--

For those who want to know more: Coeliac Society (flash required unfortunately)

[Cyberus]

Well, what the article (in a Guardian supplement about 6-8 weeks ago IIRC) basically said was, and the facts are already a bit hazy, is that the older methods would take a long time for the yeast to get to work, to rise etc and also that more of the grains nutrients were left intact in the bread.
Whereas with newer methods, the yeast mixture is produced by some kind of centrifuge arrangement, with air being forced in, rather than being allowed to rise naturally, and fat used to keep it all together.
I don't remember the exact details, and some of what I have just said may be patchy.

A quick google for 'Modern bread manufacture methods' returned this link:
http://drcranton.com/nutrition/bread.htm
I'm sure there are plenty of others.

Oh, heh, in answer to your question. No, locally baked, or supermarket baked bread is just the same (at least in the UK) since almost all places buy the dough or yeast all premixed, and as always seems to be the way, there's only three major bakeries that seem to make all of the bread.
I remember a French girl I used to work with, remarked
'It's the same in France, the boulanger doesn't get up at 4am to make the dough, he buys it'
Sad, but true :-(

Perhaps we could all do with having a read around this subject. I have thought about making my own bread for a while, but I frankly don't have the time.

I'm managing to survive ok without it at the moment, in any case.

[Cyberus]

@ Karlos

Do you live anywhere near the Oxford Road?
I remember getting a few curries from the 'curry mile' when I was a student there ('97-'98)

[adz]

@Vincent

You may want to ask for a camera up the other end, a painless procedure (primarily because your asleep) that may find something not'quite'rite down there. The prep for the procedure isn't pleasent, but it is very reassuring. To be honest, the only thing I was worried about was the doctor deciding to take advantage of my exposed backside :-P

[Cyberus]

:lol:


I'm not sure if I should be laughing, or scolding you for thinking such a thing! :-)

[Karlos]

Cyberus wrote:
@ Karlos

Do you live anywhere near the Oxford Road?
I remember getting a few curries from the 'curry mile' when I was a student there ('97-'98)

That's Wilmslow Road. Oxford Road technically stopped somewhere between St Mary's and the old Jaguar showroom (no longer there, unfortunately).

I used to live near there, now I'm a bit further away. So, you were a student the same time I was also studying there :-D

[adz]

Oh, heh, in answer to your question. No, locally baked, or supermarket baked bread is just the same (at least in the UK) since almost all places buy the dough or yeast all premixed, and as always seems to be the way, there's only three major bakeries that seem to make all of the bread.

Nope, the bakers downunder are still up at 3am baking away until the afternoon, and they make their own dough, my uncle has a bakery and I am friendly with the baker around the corner from where I work. Even supermarkets make their own dough, a few years back I used to work in the store room at a major supermarket and I remember having to move huge pallets of flour.

[Vincent]

adz wrote:
the only thing I was worried about was the doctor deciding to take advantage of my exposed backside :-P

:lol:

I'd be a bit like that myself.  The doctors I've seen (about 3 in total) have all said that a camera up the other end most likely wouldn't show anything as most of my problem starts before it reaches the bowel.

Because they don't really know what's wrong with me we've all just called it IBS for lack of a better word.  It's as close as they can diagnose it and I do have some of the symptoms.

Example: in the morning I have a bowl of Frosties (which is the only thing that can get me going for the day), however this sometimes doesn't agree with me as quick as 5 mins after eating it.  We know that it is the Frosties and not anything eaten from the night before as I am empty most of the time.  I need to eat every hour or two because of my stupidly fast metabolism.

[Karlos]

I do have some allergy to ginger and turmeric that causes rather nasty stomach upsets but thats about it. As long as I avoid any large quantities of those I'm fine.

Veggie mince is strange stuff. It doesn't bother me, but it sure as hell disagrees with anybody forced to share the same few cubic metres of atmopshere with me for any length of time later :lol:

[Cyberus]

adz wrote:

Oh, heh, in answer to your question. No, locally baked, or supermarket baked bread is just the same (at least in the UK) since almost all places buy the dough or yeast all premixed, and as always seems to be the way, there's only three major bakeries that seem to make all of the bread.

Nope, the bakers downunder are still up at 3am baking away until the afternoon, and they make their own dough, my uncle has a bakery and I am friendly with the baker around the corner from where I work. Even supermarkets make their own dough, a few years back I used to work in the store room at a major supermarket and I remember having to move huge pallets of flour.

Fair enough, I stand corrected. But the article I read in the newspapere seemed to suggest otherwise...

[Cyberus]

Karlos wrote:

Cyberus wrote:
@ Karlos

Do you live anywhere near the Oxford Road?
I remember getting a few curries from the 'curry mile' when I was a student there ('97-'98)

That's Wilmslow Road. Oxford Road technically stopped somewhere between St Mary's and the old Jaguar showroom (no longer there, unfortunately).

I used to live near there, now I'm a bit further away. So, you were a student the same time I was also studying there :-D

Yeah, I spent a year studying Audio Technology in Salford before quitting and moving to London to study Physics. I still have friends that live in the Manchester area.
I went up to visit them when they were still at university - they all lived in the Fallowfield area (surprise!) :-)

By the by, I liked Manchester as a city, but it don't 'alf rain!!!