Again, Why didn't they port Amiga OS?

[BigBenAussie]

Didn't the AROS guys say they were going to integrate UAE for running classic software?

If they can get far enough, be somewhat compatable with OS4s new APIs, and add enough presentation polish, they could potentially give OS4 a run for its money. Without costing anything.

I want OS4 to succeed, but its a LOT of money. The fastest PC running AROS could kick an A1s ass at the moment, and you know it.

Ok. Scampering back to my happy place now.

[KennyR]

Sure, but integrating UAE isn't good enough to match OS4 and MOS in terms of compatibility. Imagine having to install a mirror copy of all your system files for 68k - MUI libs, datatypes, etc, just because they can't be loaded by native executables. And native libraries couldn't be loaded by 68k ones. The two systems aren't really "integrated", just attached.

You could for example run IBrowse on an integrated UAE, but without taking advantage of native Zune libraries. And you couldn't get it online anyway, because it wouldn't be able to load the native TCP/IP stack library (unless you use a wrapper like WinUAE does). And you'd have to emulate everything else like graphics functions too. It'd probably be better using WinUAE on its own if that's what you want. And this would not kick OS4's ass, not even on the fastest PC.

[Karlos]

@BigBenAussie

Integrating UAE into AROS is not a trivial task. I'm not saying it is impossible but it sure would not be easy. Just integrating a 680x0 engine is tricky enough as you have all kinds of endian issues. The 680x0 emulation would not readily be able to easily share system structures with the native x86 code as it can on MorphOS and OS4.

Don't underestimate the power of the legacy emulation in OS4/MOS and the benefit of the native OS. I have tried UAE on some serious x86 kit and have ran system friendly 680x0 apps in OS4/Petunia on a mere 800MHz G4 with 133MHz FSB. I am absolutely not joking when I tell you it was the AthlonXP 2800 limping away clutching its' arse. I'm sure that other users can confirm that MorphOS' 68K JIT is similarly more than capable of giving UAE a good thrashing.

Even my lowly 603e 240 MHz can run 680x0 code on OS4 faster than an 060/66MHz (the old H&P 680x0 voxelspace demo for instance).

[terminator]

dmac721 wrote:


   Just thought I would ask "WHY" did they not just port Amiga OS to readily available architecture??? Wouldn't it have been much easier to sell software than thousand dollar hardware?

So the Amiga OS didn't suffer the same fate as the BeOS?

You know, install it, boot it, play with it, remark "how quaint".  Then reboot into windows and forget about it.

Where are you getting this "$1000" figure from anyway?

[Holley]

From the price of the A1 motherboards.

AROS shows what could have been, and it would have been a great OS (AROS is great, even though it's nowhere near complete).  I think modern x86 architecture deserves a decent lightweight OS, and that's not mutually exclusive with OS4 or MOS (however that ends up).

[Karlos]

Whilst an unashamed OS4 afficionado, I think it is fair for me to say that AROS is presently the most fun you can have with any x86 system natively :-)

[BigBenAussie]

Dudes, I said AROS(implying native) would kick OS4s ass, not UAE emulation. I'm just passing on what I read somewhere, and wasn't assessing its technical merits.

Besides, if you know something is 16bit you'd have to install it under UAE running on AROS, instead of it doing it automatically, and accept the limitations. My hope would be that they integrate the window system somehow, so it at least looks like its one entity.

I figure if AROS gets far enough, people could create ports for it, like they do for MOS, classic and OS4. Maybe they are already, and I'm just not hearing about it.

[Panthro]

*moan*  :oops:

windows cross bread with AmigaOs :-x

...........yeah bill gates would love that!!


he would have access to actual advancement,
but what a horrible cut 'n paste patch kludge afiar that would be!!! ewwwww!!! :-o

[mdwh2]

terminator wrote:
So the Amiga OS didn't suffer the same fate as the BeOS?

You know, install it, boot it, play with it, remark "how quaint".  Then reboot into windows and forget about it.

As opposed to suffering the same BeOS fate of a proprietrary PPC machine that no one ever heard of, let alone got to use?

Also, the problem you describe is of the free version of BeOS - no one is suggesting that AmigaOS should be made free. If loads of people install it then forget about it, if they've all paid for a copy, who cares? That's still more revenue.

[GadgetMaster]

Argo wrote:

This has been gone over and over. Should be in the FAQ...

I can't wait for that FAQ to be ready. I guess everyone who posts a question that is covered by it will get the reply "RTFF!". Maybe there could be an icon for it like: :rtfm: or

:-D

[Kronos]

From the to be written FAQ:

Q1283: "why didn't they port Amiga-OS to x86 ?"
Answer: "cos it would have been common sense"

 :shocked:

[GadgetMaster]

Kronos wrote:

From the to be written FAQ:

Q1283: "why didn't they port Amiga-OS to x86 ?"
Answer: "cos it would have been common sense"

 :shocked:

Well without getting into any kind of technical debate I have to point out that there are plenty of OSs available for x86.

Give PPC a chance  ;-)

[Mr_Capehill]

Not again this.

1) Hyperion doesn't have a license for that.

2) Decision what hardware will get supported.

3) Probably a lot worse piracy problem.

I hope that you know Hyperion is working on AOS4 with very low budget. To support dozens of hardware options in x86 world would be...impossible?

[dmac721]

  Well AI cries "We need to have a cashflow" It would still be alot easier to sell a $99 software package than a thousand dollar system to people that aren't sure their money is a worthwhile investment.

[The_Editor]

X86 codebase ...?


How would you like to be infected today ?

Spyware ?
Adware?
Trojans?
virii ?

Please take your pick.

Me ?   I'll stay codebase incompatible with all that Shyte?

If they wanna infect me .. They'll have to burn the midnight oil and re code their anal crap.

[Framiga]

by Mr_Capehill on 2004/11/20 14:01:14

Not again this.

1) Hyperion doesn't have a license for that.

2) Decision what hardware will get supported.

3) Probably a lot worse piracy problem.

I hope that you know Hyperion is working on AOS4 with very low budget. To support dozens of hardware options in x86 world would be...impossible?

THANKS Mr_Capehill . . .thanks a LOT :-)

i couldn't agree more