No more MorphOS for Pegasos? :-(

[bloodline]

Wayne wrote:
I'm honestly not sure that a "EULA" can exist for hardware devices.  Especially if you can take a piece of hardware don't use ANYTHING about the software then write an OS to go on top of it.

It's different for things like X-boxes, PS2's, etcetera because those were generic devices and not intended to run an "OS", but to play licensed games.  Hacks to those devices are generally specifically intended to run pirated games, whereas porting MorphOS to the Mac would be akin to YellowDog Linux running on a Mac.  (It's a waste of a good Mac to run Yellow Dog on it, but to each his own)

Wayne

But then it's a waste of a good Mac not using it to stop your papers from blowing away... :lol:

[KennyR]

What this seems to be is that a small group of unpaid MorphOS developers have decided to hit out at Genesi on their own. Fine, certainly their right, I'd probably do the same. However, in trying to do so, they've poked MorphOS right in the eye. They haven't hurt Genesi though, just shattered MorphOS's user confidence, smeared its reputation, and made it a bad day for everyone who supports MorphOS. Pretty unfair, actually.

MorphOS development will continue, that much is certain. MOS doesn't belong to Genesi and the Pegasos is owned by bPlan, Genesi are just a reseller. Nothing much will change.

Anyway, I'm guessing that there will be an official statement in the next few days, some kind of damage control. Certainly user confidence needs some kind of salve.

[TheMagicM]

Unfair?  Unfair is not getting your freakin money!!  $10k - $33k  I could care less of owners of either side, but developers deserve their money after the time they spent programming on their system.    When talking in private didnt work, I would have done exactly the same.  This isnt some cheap $88 A1200 ebay scam.. we're talking $10,000+ US$.  Oh and there is another guy we ALL know that is owed money to!  For shame BBRV!

[KennyR]

TheMagicM wrote:
Unfair? Unfair is not getting your freakin money!! $10k - $33k I could care less of owners of either side, but developers deserve their money after the time they spent programming on their system. When talking in private didnt work, I would have done exactly the same. This isnt some cheap $88 A1200 ebay scam.. we're talking $10,000+ US$. Oh and there is another guy we ALL know that is owed money to! For shame BBRV!

That has nothing to do with MorphOS or the people who use it. I don't why we should suffer because of it.

[xeron]

@KennyR

Giving David, Stefan, Treveur and Oliver the benefit of the doubt, I would imagine that this is a last resort to get their money after direct negotiation failed. I certainly doubt they would have suddenly come to this decision after a year of "just putting up with it".

While I agree it is unfortunate that the users are suffering through no fault of their own, if the developers concerned have tried all the other reasonable options available to them, then this move is understandable, even if it sucks.

[TheMagicM]

It has everything to do with MorphOS.  You're talking about MOS DEVELOPERS who HAVE NOT been paid.  What, you think they should continue working for free???  This just shows how someone can be as non-caring about workers who had put blood and sweat into someone elses dream.  Hey, you can code right?  (maybe not)  But I can send you a "teach yourself c in 21 days" and you can continue where they REAL coders have left off.

-Alex

[KennyR]

TheMagicM wrote:
It has everything to do with MorphOS. You're talking about MOS DEVELOPERS who HAVE NOT been paid. What, you think they should continue working for free???

Who said anything about working for free? They certainly shouldn't work for Genesi unless it pays them, but I don't demand anyone works for free. But do you really think they're going to give up the last eight years of hard work because a couple of developers want a fight with Genesi? They were working on MOS before Genesi, they'll work on it after them.

That has nothing to do with MorphOS or the people who use it. I don't why we should suffer because of it.

KennyR,

By the same token, are you suggesting that Amiga community members shouldn't suffer because Amiga Inc employees went (and still are) unpaid for months..?

The naivety level of you trying to defend (or at least "ok") the non-payment of employees who worked in good faith is insulting.

[KennyR]

Wayne wrote:
The naivety level of you trying to defend (or at least "ok") the non-payment of employees who worked in good faith is insulting.

I am NOT trying to defend the non-payment of employees. They'd be totally justified in never adding another line of code to the MorphOS code tree, and demanding their work be removed. They'd be justified if they called out Genesi in public and told everyone what kind of people they were. But are they justified in destroying other people's hard work to do it? Not all of the MorphOS developers actually ever got paid you know. There's no point in destroying the whole MorphOS project, it doesn't hurt Genesi and it does hurt people who have done no harm to anyone.

[redrumloa]

All I have to say is:

 :bigcry:

[dammy]

There, there Red.  In the mean time, try AROS-Max 0.3 out till v AROS-Max 0.4 is released (hopefully with tcp/ip included) sometime RSN.


Dammy
TeamAROS

[cecilia]

xeron wrote:
On Morphzone it looks like BB&RV are talking about MorphOS development continuing without the complaining developers... to the point that they posted "Where does MorphOS go without MUI? That is the big question."

Surely they should be talking to the devs about their position rather than publically talking about ditching them from the team? I'm a bit confused with that one...

that's their modus operandi.

they expect "loyalty" for nothing.

as soon as people realize that they are being lied to and won't get any respect or money - bbrv cut them off with cries of disloyalty!

after all, isn't it their (developers/artist/others) fault if they aren't willing to give up everything including paying rent and feeding children?

(sarcasim alert)

i've been waiting almost a year for the sh*t to hit the fan.
I guess this is it.

The number of Genesi employees who have gotten the shaft (myself included) after a great deal of work without pay far outnumber the few remaining employees.

Bill Buck is practicing the "Wimpy philosophy of software development" in that he's making promises to "gladly pay you someday for coding today".  The problem is, he never pays for work that's done for him, and now that he's openly stating that neither MorphOS nor the Amiga community have anything more to offer (since he's already sold all the Pegasos systems to the Amiga community that he ever will), he's once again moving on, leaving a trail of unpaid (and in some cases broken) and abandoned employees.  It's not just Amiga people he's screwing though, remember Dale Rahn?

MorphOS may continue.  I hope it does because I believe the real coders/people involved have done a great job (honestly, about as good a job as the OS4 coders, so I wish everyone would simply drop their stupid egos to work together).

However, I don't really care about any of it as long as Genesi/Bill Buck is in any way involved.  His presence and the use/abuse, then abandon attitude has become the albatross of the Pegasos computer system.

[bloodline]

dammy wrote:
There, there Red.  In the mean time, try AROS-Max 0.3 out till v AROS-Max 0.4 is released (hopefully with tcp/ip included) sometime RSN.

Dammy
TeamAROS

With Michals recent time constraints... maybe not would be a good time to recruit a new Peg AROS dev :-)

[dammy]

With Michals recent time constraints... maybe not would be a good time to recruit a new Peg AROS dev

This is true, there is a free Peg1 looking for a good home for AROS porting.

Dammy
TeamAROS

[TheMagicM]

I've never looked at AROS.  Cool to see a bootable cd.. I'll download the image tonight.