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Re: No more MorphOS for Pegasos? :-(
« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2004, 01:43:53 PM »
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In a word... Zune...


Its still a big slap in the face for Stefan Stuntz... "Oh, wel can't pay you, but rather than try and come to some sort of compromise, we'll use this open source clone".

Don't forget also that MorphOS MUI has more features than the 3.9 CVS version of MUI, which itself is a lot more complete than Zune (AFAIK), so they'd either have to bring Zune up to MOS MUI level, or take out features that require the latest MUI classes.

Either way, it pushes a "1.5 without the disgruntled developers work" release further back.
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Re: No more MorphOS for Pegasos? :-(
« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2004, 01:45:34 PM »
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Surely they should be talking to the devs about their position rather than publically talking about ditching them from the team? I'm a bit confused with that one...
See, there's the modus operandi of Bill Buck.  It's not Bill's fault because they hired people then refused to pay them for well over a year, it's the employee's fault for not working for free.  I honestly believe that in his own mind, Bill Buck sees himself as a victim of all of this.   He's already writing on morphzone how he's a martyr and none of this is his fault...

It is apparent by Bill's own posts on MorphZone that they have no intention (or desire) to continue MorphOS or any support of the Pegasos in the direction of the Amiga community, so IMCO he will not pay any of the developers in question for their work, because (quote bbrv:) "MorphOS is not our main priority".

The Amiga community was used and harvested for people who would help demonstrate the possibilities to other Linux companies such as Freescale.  Once those people were no longer able to be used, they were abandoned, usually without several months' pay.  Points of fact: myself, Christian Kemp, Dale Rahn, most of the US Web Team, the four listed on the morphos.net site, and there are probably dozens more that will surface at some point.

Still, people will continue to rabidly defend and support the continued dishonorable actions by Bill Buck, and that absolutely amazes me.
 

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Re: No more MorphOS for Pegasos? :-(
« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2004, 01:51:56 PM »
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See, there's the modus operandi of Bill Buck.  It's not Bill's fault because they hired people then refused to pay them for well over a year, it's the employee's fault for not working for free.


Certainly the only way I can interpret "What happens next will depend on the core MorphOS team and whether we want to work with certain people any more." is basically "We only want to work with people who don't complain when they don't get paid"... :-?

Edit: And again... "Ralph and Frank are still very much a part of Genesi/bplan. MorphOS development will continue. Some of the key players and components may change." If I was a MOS user, BB&RV's posts would be making me MORE worried, not less...
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Re: No more MorphOS for Pegasos? :-(
« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2004, 02:02:23 PM »
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Its still a big slap in the face for Stefan Stuntz... "Oh, wel can't pay you, but rather than try and come to some sort of compromise, we'll use this open source clone".


Yeah ,that sucks.

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Don't forget also that MorphOS MUI has more features than the 3.9 CVS version of MUI, which itself is a lot more complete than Zune (AFAIK), so they'd either have to bring Zune up to MOS MUI level, or take out features that require the latest MUI classes.


Well bringing Zune up to the MOS MUI level would be cool!! :-D

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Re: No more MorphOS for Pegasos? :-(
« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2004, 02:32:17 PM »
One thing I know is after over 10 years of problems the Amiga had, its still here. Even after Palm got BeOS, its still here. I didn`t want a Pegasos to run linux, so even if there was never another Official Morphos release would it really matter? Only a community can keep an OS alive, or maybe for updates the community should create service packs with new addtions that the OS needs. Sure everybody needs to pay thier bills, but when something like AROS comes along does it always have to be about money?  What matters is the platform not if it`s Red or Blue.  Is it Amiga, is it Morph?  Who cares?
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Re: No more MorphOS for Pegasos? :-(
« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2004, 02:44:01 PM »
Have sales of the Pegasos II been poor, or have they been selling them at a loss? Either way - why doesnt Genesi have the money to pay the developers.

It would seem stupid to dump MorphOS - after all, surely many of the customers, if not all, who purchased Pegasos II chose it because they had previously owned amigas, as opposed to really like Linux.

Whom do Genesi expect to sell the Pegasos II to now? They seem to be abandoning the amiga aspect of it all together - whilst harming the amiga community by once again disapointing the customers and the developers. I would have thought that the businesses who support (or is the exploit?) the amiga community would have learnt that lesson by now - that amigans & devs have been mistreated enough.

I feel sorry for the MorphOS developers, and hope they find new better work elsewhere, quickly.

I feel sorry for the existing owners of the Pegasos; I hope you like Linux on PPC and feel it is better performing (for the money) than Linux on x86.

Whilst I doubt it, I hope there is a silver lining. Perhaps, the new smaller form factor Amigas will sell more - perhaps the community will come together and support the one platform, rather than being divided. I hope that larger numbers behind the one platform might keep it going for longer.

However, I suspect that many people (previous pegasos owners) will feel betrayed and give up on the amiga community and switch over to x86 or Mac.

I'm not chuffed.



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Re: No more MorphOS for Pegasos? :-(
« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2004, 02:44:38 PM »
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so even if there was never another Official Morphos release would it really matter?


Well, I think it would. Otherwise I wouldn't have bought OS3.5, OS3.9 and then an A1 and OS4, I'd have stuck with OS3.1.

In the purely hypothetical future where MorphOS really did indefinately stall at 1.4, and AROS and OS4.x continue to improve and provide more and better functionality over time while keeping the Amiga "feel", would you still be so happy to be using 1.4?

Anyway, from the latest posts on Morphzone it seems that Bill is definately playing the victim here, claiming that MOS will continue without the work of the disgruntled developers, because he and Genesi will not be "held hostage". Yeah, maybe those developers should apologise for not working for free... ?!
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Re: No more MorphOS for Pegasos? :-(
« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2004, 02:48:45 PM »
I dont think it would matter if a new version of MOS was released.. well.. what I mean is... release a stable version (1.5) with some new features and let it sit out in the real world.  Let developers write new software for 1.5.  Even though 3.9 is out for the classic..I still run 3.1.  I dont want 3.5 or 3.9... 3.1 works and is stable.

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Re: No more MorphOS for Pegasos? :-(
« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2004, 02:56:08 PM »
So is there anything stopping MorphOS getting ported to Mac? I'm sure there would be people who'd pay to use it on Apple hardware. Income from an Apple port, could even mean they could continue to support existing PegasOS owners.
 

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Re: No more MorphOS for Pegasos? :-(
« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2004, 03:02:56 PM »
I think MorphOS on older Mac hardware (older PPCs) would be a good idea - btu I suspect that most people would rather run MacOS X on G3s and above (who wouldnt want to run a gorgeous looking commerical unix operating system that supports software from large vendors?).

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Re: No more MorphOS for Pegasos? :-(
« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2004, 03:28:41 PM »
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Well bringing Zune up to the MOS MUI level would be cool!!


Since alot of the initial MOS was based on AROS, I'm sure any of the MOS Devs looking for a new home that won't (and can't) back stab them, would have an easy adjustment if they settled in with AROS Devs.

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Re: No more MorphOS for Pegasos? :-(
« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2004, 03:40:57 PM »
I really don't see apple sanctioning any rival OS for their hardware, no matter how outdated.

In fact they're more likely to hit anyone trying this with a lawsuit. People seem to forget that behind that happy smiling interface, theyire every bit as self-protectionist as MS.
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Re: No more MorphOS for Pegasos? :-(
« Reply #26 on: November 15, 2004, 03:43:52 PM »
Isnt YellowDog Linux sanctioned?
I dont remember them getting sued - i could be wrong tho.
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Re: No more MorphOS for Pegasos? :-(
« Reply #27 on: November 15, 2004, 03:50:11 PM »
Possibly. I can see that apple considered having a linux port as advantageous since it would allow their hardware to penetrate different markets where a rival OS has made significant inroads and there is no chance they could push their own OS in combination. Better to push half of the OS/Hardware combination than none of it - and the expensive half at that ;-)

What they would make of an OS like MOS is a different matter - outside of the amiga community, who knows about it?
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Re: No more MorphOS for Pegasos? :-(
« Reply #28 on: November 15, 2004, 03:50:58 PM »
I'm honestly not sure that a "EULA" can exist for hardware devices.  Especially if you can take a piece of hardware don't use ANYTHING about the software then write an OS to go on top of it.

It's different for things like X-boxes, PS2's, etcetera because those were generic devices and not intended to run an "OS", but to play licensed games.  Hacks to those devices are generally specifically intended to run pirated games, whereas porting MorphOS to the Mac would be akin to YellowDog Linux running on a Mac.  (It's a waste of a good Mac to run Yellow Dog on it, but to each his own)

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Re: No more MorphOS for Pegasos? :-(
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I'm honestly not sure that a "EULA" can exist for hardware devices.  Especially if you can take a piece of hardware don't use ANYTHING about the software then write an OS to go on top of it.

It's different for things like X-boxes, PS2's, etcetera because those were generic devices and not intended to run an "OS", but to play licensed games.  Hacks to those devices are generally specifically intended to run pirated games, whereas porting MorphOS to the Mac would be akin to YellowDog Linux running on a Mac.  (It's a waste of a good Mac to run Yellow Dog on it, but to each his own)

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But then it's a waste of a good Mac not using it to stop your papers from blowing away... :lol: