No more MorphOS for Pegasos? :-(

[Crumb]

http://www.morphos.net

It seems that no updates for Pegasos will be released until Genesi pays some MOS devs...

[KimmoK]

In the worst case Pegasos users would need to pay for MOS, righ?

Not that bad?

I wish the best of luck for the MOS Team.

[drHirudo]

KimmoK wrote:
In the worst case Pegasos users would need to pay for MOS, righ?

Ok, they have to pay, but how much?

Lets make a rough calculation.
These four persons have to receive 26586+26586+9680+9680 Euros, or 72532 Euros. Ok, now lets assume that there are 2000 Pegasos owners who would pay for MorphOS (wishful thinking of course), this makes a single copy of the MorphOS update costing 72532/2000=36.266 Euros for a tiny update (excluding the additional cost of media storage, distribution etc).

Not that bad?

36.266 Euros for a single update of unsupported OS (Genesi is now focusing on Linux) is bad in my books.

I wish the best of luck for the MOS Team.

Me too, but I'll look elsewhere, where the development is still hot.

[bloodline]

Me too, but I'll look elsewhere, where the development is still hot.

Like AROS?

[KimmoK]

@drHirudo

"36.266 Euros for a tiny update"

It is not a tiny update (MO, ofcourse, after what I've seen & heard).

It could be sold as stand alone. €60-100 would be ok.


"unsupported OS (Genesi is now focusing on Linux) is bad in my books."

The money from sales would be put in development, ofcourse.
(unless Genesi is preventing the sales of MOS stand alone version)


MOS is the second best option of Amiga like OS for me.
Options are good.


"Me too, but I'll look elsewhere, where the development is still hot."

Pegasos owners that loved AmigaOS & MOS have no usable alternative options currently.

[keropi]

in 99% propability, morphos is DEAD... Programmers want to get their money from their "bosses" and I highly doubt they will try and sell it directly to users... sad but true....

Since Pandora's box has been opened, don't forget to add my $10,000 USD (for November and December 2003) to the list of people owed.  I have the utmost respect for the MOS team, but from experience, they won't ever see any of that money.

I do congratulate them for taking a stand on the issue as they have.  All I want to know is how many more noted community members have to get screwed before you guys stop making excuses for (and defending) these criminal companies?  (in this question, I'm really speaking of both companies who have mostly unpaid employees).  

In the end, to the MorphOS team, be prepared to see Neko (Matt Sealey) jumping up and down, screaming, and slandering  each of you now with complete {bleep} lies, just as he did me a few months ago.  (FWIW, Matt's reportedly one of the only ones left who's getting paid, so it's in his best interest to rabidly defend his handlers).

Also to the MorphOS team, thanks for all your hard work.  I honestly hope that you can find a way to continue work, even if it means changing platforms (whether A1, PC, or whatever is irrelevant).  Hey! Maybe you can get with bPlan and continue working on it without Bill Buck's interference, then sell it to Pegasos owners as an add-on?  It would be a way to get something out of it, even if it would take a little more work.

[whabang]

:-(

[Karlos]

That sucks. Like so many companies involved with the Amiga, it is the old story of take advantage and then shaft :-x

If the MOS team can crack on with things without Genesi, so much the better, but where is the incentive if they are all owed wages to begin with?

but where is the incentive if they are all owed wages to begin with?

Not an easy question to answer.  It would depend on each individual, but from my viewpoint, they can simply scrap all the work they've done (losing all hope of getting ANYTHING), or they can continue working on it and get at least something back, even if it doesn't ever cover ALL of the expenses.

Also from my viewpoint, Genesi is owed everything that they've paid for, and if you consider they haven't paid for anything since "July 2003" then they pretty much paid for everything up to MorphOS 1.2.  Anything past that hasn't been paid for, if I read that page correctly.

Wayne

[smithy]

This is bad news indeed.

I wonder if this is only part of the story though.  What about the other MOS core developers who aren't listed on this new page at morphos.net?  Are they paid or not supporting this action?  BBRV's posts on Morphzone seem to imply that David 'zapek' Gerber and Stefan Stuntz are behind this.

So I wonder, is the MOS team split?  Did they have a vote?  What about Ralph and Frank?  Hmmmm....

Even if this is the end of MOS, I suspect most of its users will still refuse to switch to AmigaOne/OS4, instead going to AROS, Linux, or Windows.

Hopefully people will see what happens before they decide anything....

[xeron]

On Morphzone it looks like BB&RV are talking about MorphOS development continuing without the complaining developers... to the point that they posted "Where does MorphOS go without MUI? That is the big question."

Surely they should be talking to the devs about their position rather than publically talking about ditching them from the team? I'm a bit confused with that one...

Where does MorphOS go without the GUI toolkit its almost exclusively built upon? Well, thats quite a stumbling block.

*sigh* This is sad news for the whole Amiga and clone world... I hope something positive happens for all MOS users.

[Karlos]

@xeron

I believe it's simply a case of "showing one's true colours" on that front. As a "red" (other people's definition, not my own), I rarely ever expressed my views on Genesi - it would have invariably started another bs flamefest - but I always imagined they would drop anybody like a stone the moment they thought they could get away with it :-(

[bloodline]

"Where does MorphOS go without MUI? That is the big question."

In a word... Zune...

[xeron]

bloodline wrote:
In a word... Zune...

Its still a big slap in the face for Stefan Stuntz... "Oh, wel can't pay you, but rather than try and come to some sort of compromise, we'll use this open source clone".

Don't forget also that MorphOS MUI has more features than the 3.9 CVS version of MUI, which itself is a lot more complete than Zune (AFAIK), so they'd either have to bring Zune up to MOS MUI level, or take out features that require the latest MUI classes.

Either way, it pushes a "1.5 without the disgruntled developers work" release further back.