Amiga OS4 & CeBit 2003

[Herewegoagain]

So that's a BAD thing that they would run an article on how to get your money back after how many months? Naughty naughty magazine - trying to help the bad bad consumers hurt poor widdle Amiga Inc. Where's the loyalty? Where's the love? Where's the bank loan officer and the T-shirt store?

Stop trolling.  Where are all of these supposed "hurt" coupon buyers that want their money back?  I don't.  I bought it fully knowing that it may take longer than I was willing to wait.  It's $50 lousy dollars.  I've blown more on games that I only played once or twice and decided I didn't like.  Why make such a deal over it?  When I purchased my membership/coupon/whatever thingy, I was never told that I would have it in XXX number of days.  And as long as people get them before AOS4 is out, what does it matter?  Because until then, there's not much reason to have it.

[Kronos]

@Herwegoagain

Well IF you are the typical buyer of the (whatever), than
AInc has nothing to fear.

But IF some people feel betrayed, and THE LAW is on their side, than
they ave all rights in the world to get their money back by all
possible means. Everything that follows can be blamed on AInc
themselves as nobody forced them to sell (whatever).

[hnl_dk]

by Herewegoagain on 2003/2/16 19:32:52

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So that's a BAD thing that they would run an article on how to get your money back after how many months? Naughty naughty magazine - trying to help the bad bad consumers hurt poor widdle Amiga Inc. Where's the loyalty? Where's the love? Where's the bank loan officer and the T-shirt store?
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Stop trolling. Where are all of these supposed "hurt" coupon buyers that want their money back? I don't. I bought it fully knowing that it may take longer than I was willing to wait. It's $50 lousy dollars. I've blown more on games that I only played once or twice and decided I didn't like. Why make such a deal over it? When I purchased my membership/coupon/whatever thingy, I was never told that I would have it in XXX number of days. And as long as people get them before AOS4 is out, what does it matter? Because until then, there's not much reason to have it.

Jep, it looks like the only guys who has big problems with our membership are the Genesi guys (Greenbuy is one of them, as they are partners!!!) :-D

[zacman]

>Jep, it looks like the only guys who has big
>problems with our membership are the Genesi
>guys

Exactly as what they're doing is illegal. I guess Ben
Hermans knows the German UWG quite well. Not
that some competitor sues Amiga Inc. again

[Herewegoagain]

Well IF you are the typical buyer of the (whatever), ...

Yeah, I don't really know what to call it either.   :-P

But IF some people feel betrayed, and THE LAW is on their side, than
they ave all rights in the world to get their money back by all
possible means.

Ok, then I'm assuming that people have requested money back and have been told "no" by Amiga?  Where are they?  I've not heard of anyone yet.  Or is this "magazine" trying to incite people to do so?  If so, what is their motives for this?  Who is behind it?  And why do they feel compelled to "save all the coupon buyers"?  Is this another case of finding a problem where none exists or are there really lots of people out there wanting their money back??  

This is not meant in a sarcastic way, I just really am curious.

[alx]

What's interesting to me, as a non club member, is how the only people who seem to be "concerned" about the coupons are the MorphOS guys who it doesn't even affect!

Or maybe it's not "concern" - no, it wouldn't be anything else, would it???

[L8-X]

@Greenboy

Well if you actually took the time to take your head out of Bill Bucks a$$ long enough to read my post correctly you`ll see that I was complaining about the fact that 100% Amiga really should be calling themselves 100% GENESI.

And for the record I am one of those people with $50 on the line too. I WON`T be asking for my $50 back, but I don`t mind other people asking for theirs, it`s up to them and I`ll be brutally honest with you I DON`T think Amiga Inc have treated their customers well with this "CLUB" It`s been a rash idea poorly thought out and VERY poorly executed. Amiga Inc as far as I can see has NO PR skills whatsoever.

In saying that I will cut them some slack as they are a small new company and hopefully will learn from their mistakes but if they don`t then they`ll go down the tubes like all other poorly run companies do.

[L8-X]

@herewegoagain

Here is the website 100% Genesi  ;-)  :-D  :-D

[Kronos]

Well there were one or two people who claimed on ann.lu that they
asked for a refund but has been tolf "no" by AInc.

I'm also quite sure that Ray () from AInc made a comment
right here where he said that noone will get their money back
before the release of OS4.

But we should all remember how the (whatever) was introduced
and advetised back last summer.

They talked about the NEAR release of OS4/A1 and that everybody
will get a coupon (+t-shirt) which should be accepted in the
purchase of an A1. This offcourse was understood that those goods
would be delievered BEFORE A1 and OS4 go on sale.

Thats atleast how I understood it, and if I had bought (whatever)
I would feel betrayed, and that has nothing to do with me being
on the "evil" side.

[hnl_dk]

by L8-X on 2003/2/16 20:03:28

@herewegoagain

Here is the website 100% Genesi ;-) :-D :-D

 :lol:

[DaveP]

What do you mean 100% Genesi?

I guess I am being a bit thick :-D

[greenboy]

Do I sense some hostility here? ; }

Too bad you think that I don't agree with you enough to deserve decent treatment. That I don't do what you think is right, don't share your view of what should be, what things should not be. So that would make it all right to cross lines of politeness and local posting guidelines, right?

So I'll just talk about WHAT ACTUALLY IS. Some of you put faith in a company that did not follow through. And your pride is all tied up in it. I wouldn't let that be such a big deal - I at one time had faith in them too, In Phoenix. But nothing went according to agreement. And I got over it.

Slight aside here to those who feel they can comment on any topic that suits them, but I can't: GET REAL : }

Some people HAVE asked for money back. And some did not get answers back. And some who worked did not get paid. I know some of you read ANN, so you've seen some of the people who claim to have gone through this and that.

My commenting on this has little to do with Genesi. But if Genesi was doing this kind of thing in front of me, I would be wondering how and when to dump them off my dance card. I can stomach delays, I can stand some chaotic planning that makes my work hard. But I don't like dealing with companies that stop communicating entirely with the public when they have engaged public trust and in the form of some kind of thing some here would like to think was written up as a goodwill loan.

But it wasn't.

By the way, expect to see a T-shirt bundled with the Phoenix Pegasos for $299 offer. Have a nice day : }

[L8-X]

@DaveP

You have to read the "mag" to understand! ;-)

[Herewegoagain]

And for the record I am one of those people with $50 on the line too. I WON`T be asking for my $50 back, but I don`t mind other people asking for theirs, it`s up to them and I`ll be brutally honest with you I DON`T think Amiga Inc have treated their customers well with this "CLUB" It`s been a rash idea poorly thought out and VERY poorly executed. Amiga Inc as far as I can see has NO PR skills whatsoever.

Gotta agree with you on that one L8-X.  The whole deal was handled very poorly.  They have at least admitted that much.  I don't feel slighted, but I do feel disappointed that Genesi come off as a much better prepared and better at marketing than Amiga.  Hopefully they will learn what they are doing soon.  They are loosing the battle quickly in my eyes, and I'm a supporter.  It's the things like the ill fated club deal and announcing they will be at Cebit with OS4 and to date they still don't show up in the vendor search.  This is very disappointing.  I feel like it almost surely means they will not be there.  I hope I'm wrong.


@Kronos

Thats atleast how I understood it, and if I had bought (whatever)
I would feel betrayed, and that has nothing to do with me being
on the "evil" side.

I agree mostly.  It was left to that feeling that you would have this coupon/t'shirt soon.  And that made you feel that an OS4 release was about to happen, thus spurring some into buying.  I don't think it has to do with anyone being "evil".  It's just not a good situation.

[DaveP]

@L8-X

No danger of that ;-)

[Coder]

@greenboy

By the way, expect to see a T-shirt bundled with the Phoenix Pegasos for $299 offer. Have a nice day : }

It's a nice offer. :-)

Coder