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I thought this was a community site, a friendly place...
« on: November 10, 2004, 03:36:50 PM »
So why all the Anti-American and Anti-Religion rubbish?

It makes me feel quite ashamed to think that some users will come to this site, and then be put off by all the hateful rhetoric flying around in the CH, and then not return.

Am I being unreasonable in thinking this?
Or are the people who post this just trolling and TRYING to upset people and offend people. Whatever happened to respect the views, lifestyles etc of others?
I'm sure if people started throwing homophobic comments around it (quite rightly) wouldn't be tolerated. But people can direct as much hate towards Christians and Americans as they like....Do you people have any love and respect for your fellow humans?



[Disclaimer : I know, criticising US foreign policy is not Anti-American per se, but saying 'All Americans are dumb' etc IS]
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Re: I thought this was a community ites, a friendly place...
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2004, 03:40:59 PM »
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So why all the Anti-American and Anti-Religion rubbish?

There's a Dutch saying: "hoge bomen vangen veel wind", approximately translated: "big trees catch much wind".
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Re: I thought this was a community site, a friendly place...
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2004, 03:45:36 PM »
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[Disclaimer : I know, criticising US foreign policy is not Anti-American per se, but saying 'All Americans are dumb' etc IS]
ah, exactly, but these two (or alike) are joyfully put together...
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Re: I thought this was a community ites, a friendly place...
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2004, 03:48:37 PM »
@ Eyso

I understand your point.

But do we need to keep saying all these things again and again? When I came back here last week after a few days away, the whole of the CH latest posts section was CH/Politics.
I didn't read these threads because they didn't interest me.
Why didn't they interest me? Not because I have no interest in foreign affairs and so on, but because I knew roughly what people were going to be saying.

I still maintain that all this 'anti' stuff is unnecessary. People could say the same things in much more constructive ways, without so being so inciteful about it.

Please, people, if I'm being unreasonable or deluded, explain to me how. I really am wondering if its just me here thinking these things....
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Re: I thought this was a community ites, a friendly place...
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2004, 03:58:05 PM »
I understand you, Cyberus,
It continuously happens when there's ONE interesting thread, the thread is being majorily ignored because it's being bombed away with America this and America that threads.

BUT, one should not be affraid of vicious debate.  
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Re: I thought this was a community ites, a friendly place...
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2004, 04:02:23 PM »
maybe, and I'm mostly saying this to Fluffy, Glaucus and Wilse, with all respect, but maybe we should ignore US topics for a (long) while.
For me, I know enough and I see the hostility.
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Re: I thought this was a community ites, a friendly place...
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2004, 04:20:57 PM »
I agree! No more Religion or Politics in on A.org!!

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Re: I thought this was a community ites, a friendly place...
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2004, 09:17:18 PM »
Hi,

@Cyberus,

They are all just jealous because a bunch of American's engineered and built the Amiga then just let it go to waste after a couple years. Come to think of it, maybe American's are really dumb, they had the PC, the Apple, and the Amiga to choose as computers, and look at the one they picked.

Oh well,

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Re: I thought this was a community ites, a friendly place...
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2004, 09:38:25 PM »
@ Cyberus

I understand exactly what you mean, old bean. But don't expect any change. The sentiments you speak of are quite popular on this site and I don't expect them to go away any time soon. That is the balance (or imbalance) of points-of-view here.
It may be that some users stop coming to the CH (I am considering it) and just drop by for the occasional technical question.
 

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Re: I thought this was a community site, a friendly place...
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2004, 10:12:56 PM »
@Cyberus

To be honest, I can't remember the last time I posted in CH/Politics or CH/Philosophy and Religion, let alone read anything in there, its all the same. Its either "I hate America/Bush because " or "I wish all religions would disapear because ", well thats what it looked like the last time I visited there, I didn't even dare looking in CH/Politics during the US elections, I shudder to think what that was like. I know I've slung a bit of mud during my rather short time here, but now it just bores me, "live and let live" is the key phrase here.
 

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Re: I thought this was a community ites, a friendly place...
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2004, 10:17:19 PM »
@Cyberus

Being the most despised creature in the universe - a Christian Conservative Republican American, I have to say I do not mind to terribly much. Yeah it does get a bit thick sometimes, and I could do without the profanity (even implied) which is not supposed to be there anyway.  Of course that seems to be coming from both sides.  Most of the members on this forum, when I engage them directly, are civil enough no matter which side of the issue they are on.  Name calling is as much an American tradition as anywhere else.  Much of it is just a defensive reaction that just sort of keeps bouncing back and forth like a pingpong ball.  I must confess I have to bite my tongue sometimes but once I get my tongue sewn back together I'll be fine. :-D  Seriously though, between fur flying, I find some very well reasoned arguments and interesting perspectives.  I am learning to respect many of the members of this forum, no matter where they are from.  It is a very educational experience for me and I place a high premium on education.  It is also a very unique opportunity as I simply cannot afford to cross the ocean and meet people of other nations, even if they did deign to give me, a total stranger, the time of day.  Here I am accepted simply because I have an Amiga and wish to learn. Do not get me wrong, I greatly appreciate your sentiments and admire you for them.  But I have heard all my life that American travellers do act like jerks in other countries and I would like to do a little bit to dispel the belief that we are all like this.
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Re: I thought this was a community ites, a friendly place...
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2004, 10:53:59 PM »
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Being the most despised creature in the universe - a Christian Conservative Republican American
you sure :-?
you do not sound like one:
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Re: I thought this was a community ites, a friendly place...
« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2004, 11:03:29 PM »
@bjjones

Your posts, at least those I have seen, are considered, well argued, non inflammatory. This alone sets you aside from the "most dispised creature in the universe", whom may share your views on some or all points but are also totally polarised against any view that differs from their single view of the universe, can never challenge them with real argument and swallow everything fox news throws at them as gospel ;-)
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Re: I thought this was a community ites, a friendly place...
« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2004, 11:03:38 PM »
I don't have a problem with Americans

But I do love to argue about religion  :-D
 

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Re: I thought this was a community site, a friendly place...
« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2004, 11:11:39 PM »
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I'm sure if people started throwing homophobic comments around it (quite rightly) wouldn't be tolerated.


  Actually, not too long ago, this was a regular feature of a couple of specific posters(and probably will be again), and AFAIK was completely ignored by the powers that be who reside on here.  Certainly the threads were not removed, or locked.

  Due to this, the rest of us have done our best to turn anti-gay rhetoric into vaguely meaningful conversation to some degree or another.

  It's got to be tough to keep things relatively fair and civil, without hearing people screaming about a moderator censoring them...however, I do feel that homosexual slurs and attacks should be added to the list of things considered inappropriate on the moderation guidelines...currently, it only forbids "Any post or comment advocating anti-semitic or racist views."

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