Storm C r0x0rz

[TheMagicM]

damn..this is one bad compiler!!!  I love it!!  I borrowed it from a friend of mine (no docs though..just all the install disks  but thats ok).  Where can I buy the manuals?  I dont *really* need them because everything is basically self explanatory.  This is one awesome compiler/ide.. It kicks Lattice's butt in the ease of use department.  Now to try to work out a cash deal for it. ooh..its version 3... just saw they have version 4... woo hooo!!

[iamaboringperson]

Well, it's good. I can agree with that,  but surely it's not THAT exciting.

[TheMagicM]

well to me it is.  I messed w/lattice.. I have Aztec C here also..but this is pretty good for having a "GUI" IDE etc.. pretty slick.  $65 is pretty cheap for version 4 also.

[iamaboringperson]

TheMagicM wrote:
well to me it is.  I messed w/lattice.. I have Aztec C here also..but this is pretty good for having a "GUI" IDE etc.. pretty slick.  $65 is pretty cheap for version 4 also.

I wouldn't mind V4. I think that takes out some of the bugs.

But I'm not sure if I should bother, since I'm using GCC on MOS. :-P

[TheMagicM]

 :-P

gcc on mos is pretty awesome.. I fiddled with it when I had my system.  
I'm just excited to see a good IDE/editor/compiler all in one package for the classic Amiga...has a few good examples there too..just need to figure out this MUI stuff.. lol.

[iamaboringperson]

TheMagicM wrote:
gcc on mos is pretty awesome.. I fiddled with it when I had my system.  
I'm just excited to see a good IDE/editor/compiler all in one package for the classic Amiga...has a few good examples there too..just need to figure out this MUI stuff.. lol.

IDE's don't come much better than the Storm C one! :-D

MUI? One reason I think MUI is a bit sucky, is that it doesn't work like everything else. GadTools, BOOPSI, and ReAction/ClassAct are all similar - or much more similar than what MUI is to them.

If I wrote MUI, I would have done a much better job! (To be a bit of a DoomAss

[TheMagicM]

you have your opinion and I agree with it. LOL.  I am going to get GadTools and/or ReAction/Classact to incorporate into my code.  So far its working pretty good.  Oh, and H&P has V3.0 documentation in .PDF.. but just to contribute, I'll buy V4 if it works on my A4000 68040. (havent read specs yet other then it uses gcc now).

-Alex

[odin]

Didn't HP sell off all their remaining StormC v4 packages (with manuals) for 50€/USD some time ago?

-edit-
Still available here for 50€.

[TheMagicM]

I hope not.. next Wednesday I get paid and will be ordering it from them.. I'll email them and ask..just in case.

[Minuous]

StormC 4 certainly does rule. Especially the IDE, debugger and resource tracker. (Although on the negative side there are some minor bugs which they don't seem too interested in fixing and the code generation is not the best.)

I ordered it earlier this year direct from H&P and there was no box or manual. There were German AmigaGuide StormC 4 docs on the CD. I found English AmigaGuide StormC 4 docs and the English PDF StormC 3 manual at H&P's site.

So at the time I assumed there was no box or hardcopy manual, but I just had a hunt around on the H&P site, and found a picture of the box. So presumably I should have got a box and a hardcopy manual?

(I don't care about the box but I do about the manual. I was thinking the docs were quite lacking.)

[TheMagicM]

I dont know..I'll email again and ask.. I dont just want disks..I'd rather have a box, manual etc..  but like you, I found v3's manual in PDF format on their FTP site.

[Matt_H]

I'm just getting into development, both in general, and especially on the Amiga. I've got StormC v3 from the developer's CD, and I've also ordered a copy of GoldEd. My limited experience with SAS/C makes it look like it will be a nightmare in the ease-of-use department, the same goes for DICE.

To those that have used them (StormC v3, v4, and GoldEd), which do you prefer?

[Karlos]

StormC v3

+Easy and Intuitive IDE
+Relatively good ANSI C model
+Reasoably compact code
-very bad C++ implementation
-poor optimizer

StormC v4
+better IDE
+distriburted make
+cvs
+gcc compiler engine (compatible with 2.95.3 at least)
+good C++ support in gcc mode (as good as 2.95.3, basically)
-some bugs in IDE
-some IDE features (not present in v3) not complete?
-bloated C++ executables in gcc mode, but not really SCs fault, gcc is the same.

I really liked both systems, StormC4 has been instrumental in moving old code from v3 through to gcc compability.

[Minuous]

SAS/C is actually quite easy to use and generates very good code. But like I said before, the StormC IDE and resource tracker are definite benefits.

I wouldn't bother with DICE though.

[Matt_H]

@ Karlos

Thanks for the breakdown, it's helpful.

@ Minuous

Indeed, I've heard many good things about the way SAS/C operates with code, but since I'm still in the the 'idiot' phase of programming, I really need the stepping stones of an IDE. ;-)
Maybe when I learn a bit more I'll get back into SAS.

@ others

Any opinions on GoldEd?