What Killed the Amiga userbase (the various "AIncs") and May Kill it Again!!

[Jose]

@DaveP
"Sorry, lost me. What are you asking for again?"
Well, I allways doubted that AOS would be continued in the long term, and thought probably it would be substituted with some layer to run DE stuff. The Amiga users are still here cause they like the ClassicOS, and they wish the continuation of it. If I want to use TAO's OS I don't need the DE, if we're to use Linux (like in Collas's times) the interest in the Amiga itself disappears.
What it seemed to me was that the people that bought AInc. bought it for the users, to get a users base for their own products. The Tech Updates, or whatever on the begining clearly showed that. Hey here's this cooll Jeep you can buy from us for you sport's car fans... be glad.

@lempkee

"...For the MOS stuff, i am no fan of mos, thats mostly beause of the policy they use , or in better words..because of BBRV and also because its not Amiga as i know it....but in the long run i might turn to mos if i have to, as i wont move to linux or mac or pc..."

Exactly. Moving to Linux (Collas times) or TAO's OS wouldn't be AmigaOS anymore. It would be kind of contradictory to want to use Amiga users for a different OS when these users have been here for so many years for the platform they like and they're used to and know so well.

@MikeyMike
"Personally I hope DE will disappear in a cloud of vapour Why on earth would anyone want it anyway . Java has been there, MS smartphone will hopefully go the way of the dodo..."
I thinkk DE has more advantages. You can use more options with it than Java. It's also a good way of targetting the big mass market. What I don 't like is they were using the Amiga users to push they're own agenda with the DE, and completely scrapping AmigaOS at the same time. How things are now seem to be much more fair. An combination of interests. I'd gladly support the DE IF I knew they were supporting AmigaOS.


I think things migh come out well though, and I hope AmigaOS(not just the name) continues beyond OS4 and.

By they way I won't get outta here. It's stronger than me :-D

[mikeymike]

@ Jose
Java has shown with its track record that businesses/people aren't particularly interested in a cross-platform 'portable' programming language.

What is AmigaDE's "good way of targetting the mass market"?  Through mobile phones?

I think AmigaOS has a much better chance of survival and a better chance of a positive effect on the computer industry.  If AOS was successful, Mac and Amiga users would be better off because hardware prices would come down, and cross-platform competition would heat up again from the bare simmer it has been turned down to.  

Also, I want a change from Win2k and MS's "nanny OS" idea. :-)

[Paul_Gadd]

@MikeyMike

That doom and gloom as you put it is what the Amiga looks like in the real world,

As i have said many of times i would like to see the Amiga comeback big style but the truth is it aint going to happen anytime soon,

The early Amiga companies have took a top notch system and permanently damaged it,

As for the A1 and AOS4, i must be the only person on here who looks at software before a OS, without your nomal everyday software their is no point spending loads on a platform, i like software support not a fancy new OS.

[mikeymike]

@ Paul_Gadd

That doom and gloom as you put it is what the Amiga looks like in the real world

Do you not think everyone knows it's been in a bad situation that it has yet to completely get out of?  Do you think it's your job to remind everyone of what you think are the facts at every opportunity you get?

As i have said many of times i would like to see the Amiga comeback big style but the truth is it aint going to happen anytime soon,

That is YOUR OPINION, not fact.  Again, your opinion is not something everyone needs to be reminded of at every opportunity, so GIVE IT A REST!

The early Amiga companies have took a top notch system and permanently damaged it,

"Permanently damaged", so you've obviously seen into the future to be able to tell us that.

As for the A1 and AOS4, i must be the only person on herewho looks at software before a OS, without your nomal everyday software their is no point spending loads on a platform, i like software support not a fancy new OS.

What makes you think that?  Obviously you're cleverer than everyone else in here that you're the only one to realise that an operating system needs software to be of any use to anyone?  Maybe you need to preach some more!  Maybe everyone will start agreeing with you if you say the same thing, over and over again?

[mikeymike]

@ Paul_Gadd

Btw, you seriously need to use the full stop key a little more often :-)

I to just recently stopped using my Amiga as my
main machine, I was looking around to see what
the alternatives were, PC ( yech do me a favour)

OK, what else is there, ah, I know what about a MAC.

After looking at the MAC that caught my eye,  I
weighed up the cost of the MAC price and how
much it would cost to upgrade my Amiga to the
same spec, no contest there then, the MAC won hands
down.


I still have the Amiga setup though.


 

[DaveP]

@Jose

@DaveP
"Sorry, lost me. What are you asking for again?"
Well, I allways doubted that AOS would be continued in the long term, and thought probably it would be substituted with some layer to run DE stuff.

Ive never doubted that this is Amino/AmigaIncs game plan and yes in a way it is technically possible
but what I have doubted is that they could successfully release the limpet like grip us users have on classic hardware before they get to the point that AmigaOS runs on DE ( API compatible like MorphOS ). But still they try to increase the gradient of adoption beyond that of which the userbase can countenance without bringing in any influx of users from the outside world either.

 The Amiga users are still here cause they like the ClassicOS, and they wish the continuation of it.

Well the evolution of it.

If I want to use TAO's OS I don't need the DE, if we're to use Linux (like in Collas's times) the interest in the Amiga itself disappears.

Hmmmmmm yes I suppose so. But Collas wanted AOS on top of the Linux kernel - when most people think of Linux they think of a distribution like Mandrake or Knoppix. Unless you are a kernel programmer you wouldn't realise that Linux was under the cover in Collas' grand plans. ( Except everyone would tell you ).

What it seemed to me was that the people that bought AInc. bought it for the users, to get a users base for their own products. The Tech Updates, or whatever on the begining clearly showed that.

I totally agree with you. That is why the only reason I havent long since flipped the bird at A1 and AOS4 is because it is not Amiga Inc that are really truly behind or in control of it.

But then I am going to try and put a foot on both sides of the fence and buy into MorphOS/Pegasos too because I don't trust Amiga Inc not to flamingo up AmigaOS4.x future beyond 4.0.

[Dan]

[color=000000]AROS!!![/color][/b][/u]
The only way we can be sure there is going to be an AmigaOS in the future.
Amiga Int is just using the name to sell that DE garbage.
And MOS isnt AmigaOS.
It´s all in the hands of Hyperion, and they are silent which I hope means they are working instead of writing unrealistic statements about the future and stupid lawsuits.

I realy start to think that AROS is the ONLY way to survive  ;-) , as soon as AROS get a good state of usage "like the OS3.1 state at least" i will probably stop to use any amigaOS and use just AROS.

I hope AROS hit this state  :-? .

Lets see why, FFFRRRREEEEEEEE, FAAAASSSSSSTTTTT and i don´t need to buy a $$$$$$$ PPCBoard  :-D , but this is just a dream, if MorphOS follow the X86 path... well another dream.

I agree with paul_gadd 100% I think he's right on the money.
not a chance of making a big comback... at most it'll survive as a niche market hobby machine ... but probably wont get further then that.