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Re: prototype board question
« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2004, 12:21:10 AM »
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Re: prototype board question
« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2004, 03:40:00 AM »
I just took a pic of the beast. Try googling Altera and take a look at what their chips do. This board has three such chips. I can't find out much about them except they are used in high res medical and military imaging boards so that fits with their use by Atlantis. Now I have to figure out how to upload the pic. This is fun!
 

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Re: prototype board question
« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2004, 03:52:09 AM »
I have no idea if the pic made it. I resized it and so forth but if it's anywhere it's in the misc amiga photos. If it doesn't make it up, I'll try again. kinda hard to see much and my camera card seems to be failing unless the batteries are down. sigh. sometimes I prefer lo-tech.
 

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Re: prototype board question
« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2004, 05:14:02 AM »
Yup, got it just fine.
I moved it to Assorted Hardware.
Everyone can take a gander at it here.
 

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Re: prototype board question
« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2004, 07:19:11 AM »

@Will

Send the pics to www.amiga-hardware.com.. I´m sure Ian would appreciate them.. :-)
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Re: prototype board question
« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2004, 10:01:37 AM »
Hi,

for me it looks like an 68060 accelerator card with on-board SCSI-controller and three 72-pin simm sockets.

Are you shure it is a prototype ?
The professional look and the label with the barcode suggests me that it is a comercial product. If it was mine, I would plug it into the CPU-socket of an A4000 (remove the motherboard from the case if it doesn't fit) and look if it runs.

Are you shure it is for an A4000 ? It looks as it might fit perfect into an A3000T.

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Re: prototype board question
« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2004, 10:15:06 AM »
That indeed doesn't look like someone's bedroom hobby-prototype. Any chance on getting close-ups of the chips?

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Re: prototype board question
« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2004, 10:25:58 AM »
really, really interesting, indeed :-)

one of the socket, seems a 50 pin SCSI but the other one?!?

A better closeup pics, could help to understand something better.

You have a little rare jewel, you know?

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Re: prototype board question
« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2004, 11:42:38 AM »
@ Framiga

Is it SCSI and IDE?
 

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Re: prototype board question
« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2004, 12:10:04 PM »
With the design of the board it would fit perfectally in a 4000T. Maybe this is the Board used in that company who produced the 4000T with the 060 installed in factory???A4000T- the new QuikPak version W/ 060
Greg

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Re: prototype board question
« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2004, 12:10:57 PM »
QuickPak 060 board?
It *does* have Altera chips on it, perhaps the board in question is indeed a prototype for the QP card?

Notice how the '3rd' Altera chip is missing (though there is space for it on the QP board) together with the 'IDE/SCSI' (?) headers (again, there is space for a header on the QP board).

The board layouts seem radically different from each other though :-?.

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Re: prototype board question
« Reply #25 on: October 08, 2004, 12:18:11 PM »
Makes sence to me .
Looks too professional for a homebrew product..
Greg

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Re: prototype board question
« Reply #26 on: October 08, 2004, 02:35:38 PM »
Glad you folks know about some of this. First off, I'm an idiot and I can blame it on the pain meds I'm on. Neurontin is great for nerve pain but screws up your memory and thinking. One of those "scsi" ports I looked at is obviously the floppy port. I don't know why I couldn't see it. The short one with the broken corner. I never said it was a "homebrew" product. Atlantis sold all of their Amigas and one guy at Softhut told me when I first got mine that he had purchased one, he recognized the description...the Amiga, not the board, I seem to have the only one of these....that there was so much hacking done to the software onboard that he just formatted the thing and reloaded it all. I did that to the desktop model but kept the Tower intact, just replaced the startup. This was a board built by a company designing both software and hardware for high end medical/military imaging. Their main product seems to have been a moving sonogram image (hence 4D). I have a bunch of their presentation files onboard and have looked at them. Pretty cool images on the inside of someone's body. As far as I know they had no A3000s. The tower I got had an ethernet card, egs spectrum, amaxII+, a CyberstormPPC/060 and about every kind of animation-image software you'd ever want. It was obviously installed in a multi-platform network as a lot of the files pointed to Macs and unix or Linux machines in the LAN. This card was in the box of various spare parts and my buddy told me that it was just part of the package that he bought. He's mostly into music and photography and MGs but he screwed around for a couple of months, didn't really "get" the Amiga stuff and shipped both the A4000s and the box of spare parts to me. I never really looked at the board because I didn't need the "spare" '060 onboard and it obviously wouldn't squeeze into the desktop, which is what I was using. I was preoccupied trying to install a CD drive into the tower and getting OS 3.9 to work. I would call it a prototype or a one-of-a-kind board because they made the thing. I don't know if they ever expected to market to their core clients or if it was used to process images for their presentations. Altera makes some pretty powerful chips as I found when I checked out their website, although I can't find out anything about these particular chips. The chips have the following numbers on them, in case anybody else wants to sniff around. I'm sure it's no "top secret" deal, just sort of a mystery: EPX7800C132-10. There are no empty sockets, maybe the pics were badly lit. Three of these Altera chips, one '060, a scsi (I think) port and a floppy port. Three 72 pin ram slots... it definately fits the CPU slot on my A4KD, but I haven't yet opened up my tower to see how well it would fit there. My buddy told me that some of the prototyping was done on table tops so maybe the thing never actually was in a box, but it obviously was being used as the corner of the floppy port was broken off when the cable was removed. My immediate thought when I looked at it last night was that it was possiby a single processor version of the Cyberstorm/Cybervision pair. ya know, make one board do what two boards were doing? Something like that. So, yeah, I will figure out if it fits into the tower and pop it in to see what os 3.9 thinks of it. If it fires up and seems to work I will run some software thru it and see how fast it is. Anybody feels like offering some suggestions, I'd be happy to listen, but it would be helpful if anybody could walk me thru how to make the damn thing talk to my cable modem because so far none of my Amigas have gotten thru the router. All my stuff comes down into this funky Sony Vaio and then sneakernetted to the Amigas. When the CD works I am able to move large files over to the tower. I have an Ami-2-PC cable and software as well as a 4065 card in the tower. Maybe this should be in the "hardware forum"?
 

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Re: prototype board question
« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2004, 04:07:06 PM »
@ Will:

http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/stories/2000/01/10/story5.html

The link hints that ATL used an Amiga in one of their ultrasound machines.
Unforunately ATL merged with Philips and I can't find any references to Amiga hardware in Philips products.
If you find any Philips or ATL software on the drive, you'll know it was part of an ultrasound setup from ATL.

Also, Philips was fond of Motorola-based hardware in other systems. For example our (now ageing) Philips CT scanner in JHB had an 020 on board that just handled the transfer of slice info.

I'm willing to bet that this dude is behind it (long shot), but read his resume...

http://www.nebulasoftware.com/Pages/Resume.htm

If he didn't do the software, I'm sure he knows who did.
 

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Re: prototype board question
« Reply #28 on: October 08, 2004, 05:26:40 PM »
@Will-i-am:
Could you perhaps count the pins on the SCSI-ish and Floppy-ish connectors?
And tell us what is written on the small lables in the corner? Someone might recognize something, you never know..
From the picture i counted 60 pins on the larger one, and 48 or 50 on the smaller one (please confirm). This suggests that there might have been some sort of daughter-board plugging in there, or perhaps they are debug-connectors.

As for the Altera chips, they are IIRC programmable logic chips, often used in prototypes and amiga hardware, since it is cheaper than manufacturing custom chips in small quantities. They probably serve as 'glue-logic' between the A4000 motherboard and this board.

-Paul

P.S: It seems to be four 72-pin SIMM sockets there.
 

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Re: prototype board question
« Reply #29 from previous page: October 08, 2004, 11:31:51 PM »
Yeah, ATL stands for atlantis or some such thing. I have tons of Atlantis files in the HD. I suppose my buddy knows the whole story behind the company...ultrasound, not sonograms, that's sounds familiar. The movie files are babies inside. Larry is some kind of an engineer but I forget what kind. I always think of him as "Mr. Wizard" because he can reel off facts on cars, music, cameras, old bits and pieces of just about everything. The kind of guy who would buy two packed Amigas and then give them away to someone who would love them. Trouble is he didn't work in that area of the business. He just noticed the Amigas going up for sale. I expected them to be cleaned up so I was happy to get Scala and DP IV and a few other progs I didn't already have. I should stop speculating and fire up the tower and read more of the files. Most of their proprietary software is gone so I only have the videos and some hints based on the startup how their LAN was working. The board is marked "ATL s/n 00M4J2" under the bar code. The small floppy-ish port has 50 pins. The larger one has 60 pins. The small hand-marked chips are about 1/2 inch across.. one is "1934- 01 LL 7DF5 L18" the other two are similar numbers.. not much help. Two have maybe 7 pins to a side, the third seems to have 7 on two sides and 9 on the other two. There's a dinky socketed chip maybe 1/4 inch, 5 pins on a side, marked simply "7C F8" The ram slots have some chips soldered on the back and there are a few resistors or something soldered across points on the back as well. Nothing spooky or anything. When I first looked at it I thought it was a regular A4000 mobo, so cool I had a spare but then I saw that there was no place for the daughter board and the length was wrong. You guys having fun yet? This weekend I think I'll open the tower and replace the Cyberstorm with this thing and see what happens. I have ram for the slots and a spare HD or two....Oooooo the mysterious computer. When I was a kid I used to fantasize about something like this, ya know, a radio that talks to Mars or something. :-P