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Re: Amiga 1200 PAL <--> NTSC
« Reply #14 from previous page: September 09, 2004, 06:13:55 PM »
@Hyperspeed

American TV's do not have SCART, they have S-Video, Composite and RF and Component wich is those 3 Red Green and Blue cables in the Back og HDTV's and DVD players.

Mosst people use S-Video.and composite.why?  because you want to record to Video?  or your TV simply has no other option...............dont know what S-Video looks like in Europe.........but here in USe it looks almost exactly like RGB. extremely crisp, as for composite?  Sony TV's sem to have this down paccked as their TV's make composite look like S-Video.........kinda like the way the SuperGen SX genlock for the Amiga, makes the Composite signal clearer............maybe Sony TV's with Trinitron have a Genlock or transcoder inside? dunno.

But anyway.......I recommend a PHILIPS TV.I think it will display all PAL modes in color.............because I have a Projector that says it supports all types of PAL modes, but when I connect it...........its in Black and white.arrrggg!!!

Remember PHILPS made the Commodore 1084s  so its quite a big chance that their tv' support more than one kind of PAL...............you'll never know till ya try.  I know I have and PAL looks good on it..............just a little bit aquished in my opinion though.........but they do that o you get the entire image.
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Re: Amiga 1200 PAL <--> NTSC
« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2004, 06:19:30 PM »
Since w00p owns a 1084 monitor, the easiest solution would be to track down an Amiga RGB cable. 1084 line of monitors supports PAL and NTSC through RGB with no problems whatsoever.
 

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Re: Amiga 1200 PAL <--> NTSC
« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2004, 01:05:16 AM »
I have both a 1084 with Cable that can connect to the Amiga 1200, and a 1084S-D2 which I don't have the proper cable for; looks like it requires a 9pin RGB Cable to 23 Pin Cable for the Video connection on the Amiga 1200. I saw one on this web site for http://www.4jays.com/xbox.html
$22, maybe I should just buy it?

I'm more interested in hooking up a larger PC monitor such as a 15" Flat Panel, or even my other 22" Diamondtron - for this application, I would need that Scandoubler from SoftHut I believe.
 

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Re: Amiga 1200 PAL <--> NTSC
« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2004, 01:32:11 AM »
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That helps if he's running WB apps only. Does not help on PAL games I'm affraid.


Sure it does. I've played plenty of PAL games that way.
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Re: Amiga 1200 PAL <--> NTSC
« Reply #18 on: September 11, 2004, 01:37:16 AM »
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I have loads of cables for sale.

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If you find that I have what you're looking for, I'll sell it to you for less than that guy is charging. PMail me if you see anything you want and we'll work out a deal. I seem to remember having a few of that type cable, but can't remember if I've sold them already.


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Re: Amiga 1200 PAL <--> NTSC
« Reply #19 on: September 11, 2004, 01:40:21 PM »
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PAL/SECAM/NTSC are only methods of transmission of UHF I believe, so
they only apply to RF/Composite signals.
Not true, this is a video system and your Amiga outputs this through Composite as well.

The 1084s were made by Phillips, yes , but they DO NOT support ANY PAL mode either. I'm telling you, I have the misfortune to know all this because of personal experience, if you do't live here you don't get a grasp of what  a mess it is with the video systems. Your Philliips TV surely accepts most types of compatioble PAL, and maybe PAL-M at the most, but not ALL, even less PAL-N. Consider yourself lucky anyway, that's one fine TV.
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Re: Amiga 1200 PAL <--> NTSC
« Reply #20 on: September 11, 2004, 11:20:53 PM »
Not many people know why there are so many variants of PAL.

SECAM is another variant.

According to some documentary on satellite TV, the reason they differ
from each other is due to political isolation.

Before the Berlin wall came down the Soviets wanted to keep western
transmissions away from the people so you'll find East German
computers of the 80's had a different variant of PAL. I think it was a
modified version of the French SECAM system.

It's all about stopping cross border proliferation. A bit like DVD
Region 0, 1, 2 etc. but with broadcasts.

You avoid all this nonsense by getting an RGB cable as it hooks
directly to the chips and bypasses modulation.

I'm not sure why composite uses PAL/NTSC since UHF/VHF is different to
a direct signal like composite.

Maybe someone in broadcasting can shed some light on this.

The latest version of RGB now appears to be HDTV, I wonder if there is
AmigaOne support for this... it'd be interesting to know how good the
AmigaOS4 Screenmode prefs utility is!

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Re: Amiga 1200 PAL <--> NTSC
« Reply #21 on: September 12, 2004, 12:02:09 AM »
PAL and NTSC are commonly used to refer to two different things - the color encoding in use, and the vertical refresh rate. In the past, these were tied together - NTSC always ran at 60Hz (59.94Hz with color) and PAL always ran at 50Hz. NTSC is still like this - while technically possible, there is no 'NTSC-50'. However, in recent years, there is such a thing as 'PAL-60', which is the PAL color encoding but at 60Hz.

The only main difference between RF and composite+audio is that both the video and audio are remodulated to different frequencies (and due to the presence of the audio, the video is a mite bandwidth-limited as opposed to a composite signal). All analog video signals (in terms of standard low-scan devices and not custom stuff like EGA monitors that run at some weird line rate) run on either PAL or NTSC (SECAM is basically a variant of PAL, and is pretty much nonexistant outside the countires that primarily use it). Even RGB is this way, although there is no color encoding, and as such PAL/NTSC only refers to the vertical refresh rate.

HDTV itself is pretty much useless for the Amiga, since it is a transmission method. All HDTV sets are primarily 'monitors', with some that have an internal HD tuner. Such monitors tend to have any of the following to support the HD resolutions: analog component, VGA, DVI, HDMI (which is compatible with DVI devices with an adaptor). Any system will work with any HDTV if it supports one of the HD resolutions (of which are 960x540, 1280x720 and 1920x1080) and the signal is close to the HD standards for each mode (540p and 1080i are the same, I'm unsure what 720p is).

And with an adaptor, you can use an RGB SCART cable with the system of your choice to turn it into low-scan analog component, which would presumably work with any analog component input.
 

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Re: Amiga 1200 PAL <--> NTSC
« Reply #22 on: September 18, 2004, 08:02:42 AM »
What is that little dip switch on an Amiga RF output? There's a little
screw potentiometer next to it as well.

Is this for variations of PAL for countries like Argentina?

Is it as simple as turning the screw a few twists and getting PAL-B
etc. and SECAM with a click of the dip switch?