Another hurricane coming?

[whabang]

PMC wrote:
According to the laws of chaos theory, the disturbance to air currents as a butterfly flaps it's wings can cause a storm on the other side of the planet.

I'm sure the people of Florida will appreciate my vain efforts in attempting to dissuade my mate Phil from eating that Chicken Jalfrezi.

Funny. I was discussing this with a colleague earlier today. I was thinking that if the butterfly waved it's wings, and caused a storm, someone smacked the bloody bug, making thing even worse! :-)

[Karlos]

redrumloa wrote:

In all seriousness, not to take anything away from those in direct hit zone, but Frances was a wimpy storm. Most of the state got moderate winds and light rain. Inconvience was the worst part of this storm for most Floridians.

I expect the last thing anybody needed was a storm right when they were cleaning up from the last one though :-(

Ivan is looking a tad more formiddable also...

[KennyR]

AccyD wrote:
The problem we have is that we are tracking records only over a very very short period of time (150 years at most) so we don't have evidence of the long-term trends in weather fluctuations so any "experts" view is simply a guess.

We have plenty. Antarctic ice cores, lake bottom mud samples, tree rings, etc. It's prone to much more error than simply pulling out a thermometer, but it does turn what you call a guess into a rather more educated guess.

[cecilia]

I think if Ivan lands there will be no big deal, but if next year, and the year after that, the eastern seaboard gets a triple whammy, there will be big questions asked - especially if it's Florida again.

do you think republicans can remember a from whole year ago?

[Tigger]

KennyR wrote:

We have plenty. Antarctic ice cores, lake bottom mud samples, tree rings, etc. It's prone to much more error than simply pulling out a thermometer, but it does turn what you call a guess into a rather more educated guess.

Yeah Kenny, thats good, we've shown by ice cores, tree rings, satellites etc, that Global Warming isnt occuring, but hey you dont care, I show that we are having fewer Atlantic Hurricaines, then in previous years, but again you dont care, you just have to chant your global warming chant (copywritten by the IPCC), while while wearing your WWUND bracelet, and forget actual science.  
    -Tig  

[KennyR]

Tigger wrote:
I show that we are having fewer Atlantic Hurricaines, then in previous years...

Huh? You've lost it. The NOAA (the experts) have already PROVEN that there are more hurricanes per year, just like other sources have already PROVEN that the planet's weather systems have warmed considerably over the past 15 years. Any ranting from you (and from your Republican heroes) is irrelevant. Science has dumped your theory a long time ago. Live with it.

Note that NOAA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration), who are not linked to the IPCC, who have a huge amount of data on weather systems, who have more knowledge of this even than NASA, have this to say.

http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html

Very interesting. Seems your theory on the IPCC being the evil mastermind just went up in smoke.

[FluffyMcDeath]

Tigger wrote:

Yeah Kenny, thats good, we've shown by ice cores, tree rings, satellites etc, that Global Warming isnt occuring, but hey you dont care, I show that we are having fewer Atlantic Hurricaines, [...]  
    -Tig  

Who's "we"? You are living in denial. I am living in Canada where we are currently trying to get more military patrols in our far north because less of it is frozen less of the time these days and we need to enforce our claim to the soon to be more accessible resources. Global warming is real and it is having real effects. You can sit in a corner with a bag on your head saying "it isn't so, it isn't so" but it's so nonetheless.

[Tigger]

KennyR wrote:

Tigger wrote:
I show that we are having fewer Atlantic Hurricaines, then in previous years...

Huh? You've lost it. The NOAA (the experts) have already PROVEN that there are more hurricanes per year, just like other sources have already PROVEN that the planet's weather systems have warmed considerably over the past 15 years.

Really then why in the document you pointed too did they say this:

"Where reliable data are available, tropical storm frequency and intensity show no significant long-term trend in any basin. There are apparent decadal-interdecadal fluctuations, but nothing which is conlusive in suggesting a longer-term component. "

Gee that doesnt say what you are saying does it Kenny??  The fact is the 1950s had more Atlantic Hurricanes then the 1990's, and of the 10 largest storms of the 20th century only one (Andrew in 1992) occurred since you were born (the other 9 all occurred before 1970), thats from the NOAA site as well.

Note that NOAA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration), who are not linked to the IPCC, who have a huge amount of data on weather systems, who have more knowledge of this even than NASA, have this to say.

http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html

Very interesting. Seems your theory on the IPCC being the evil mastermind just went up in smoke

Did you actually read what you pointed to, the first line says this:

"This page is based on a brief synopsis of the 2001 report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change,"

Gee thats seems really far from the nothing to do with IPCC comment you made, its the NOAA site quoting the IPCC document, amazing how you missed that.
   -Tig