TCP/IP under Workbench/Kickstart 1.3?

[patrik]

Does anyone know if a TCP/IP stack that will run under Workbench/Kickstart 1.3 exist?


/Patrik

[blobrana]

Hum,
i don`t know...
to use AmiTCP you need an Amiga running AmigaOS 2 or greater, recommended are hard disk and 2MB of ram...

i looked at Aminet  but could`nt see anything ..

[cha05e90]

Hi!

I guess or suppose you will have no luck with TCP/IP and OS1.3.
Even the "oldest" Amiga TCP/IP stack (Commodores AS225) and its
derivatives (Interworks I-Net 225) use SANA-II and need at least
(IFAIK) OS2.0.

Cheers,

Frank.

[drHirudo]

Try AmigaTCP

This is the KA9Q Internet Software Package.  The package supports IP, ICMP, TCP, UDP, and ARP as basic services, and
implements the FTP, Telnet, and SMTP protocols as
applications.  It runs on IBM PC and clones, the Apple
Macintosh, and the Amiga.  Includes source.

[adolescent]

Isn't KA9Q for amature radio equipment?

As for the original topic.  AFAIK, AS225 works with OS1.3.  But, I've never seen a copy for sale since the early 90s.

[patrik]

@blobrana:

Yeah, the oldest AmiTCP I could find on Aminet was version 2.2. When I start installing it, the installer says that it needs atleast exec version 37 (2.04) and tells me I only have version 34 (1.3).

I wonder if AmiTCP 1.0 would run on WB1.3 and if it is possible to get hold of it. As the older AmiTCP versions are distributed under the GPL licence and evidently some versions were uploaded to for example Aminet it just feels like it should be obtainable somewhere. Who knows, maybe older versions than 2.2 existed on Aminet way back but the reason why they cant be found now is because they removed older versions when a newer version was uploaded.

@cha05e90, adolescent:

Are there any TCP/IP applications available that can use the AS225 TPC/IP stack and do you know if it is possible to get hold of AS225 somewhere?


/Patrik

[Argus]

I've seen the AS225 packages selling on eBay (gulp!) for around $20.00 every now and then.  Trouble is the packaging indicates it's for Commodore Amiga Release 2 (that means it runs off a 2.04+ ROM version). You can get 2.04 ROMs for a song and you can do everything with them except graphical URL browsing (due to lack of datatypes in 2.0, 2.1).  But if you want to use Miami, AmiTCP, TermiteTCP or other stack there are many mail programs (except YAM), ftp programs, etc. that work fine with 2.04 Kickstarts on even a base A500 with 1MB chip and a couple megs FastRAM (and of course a harddisk).

[QuikSanz]

@ patrik,

The oldest stack is termite, may or may not work.

Chris

[Cyberus]

Hmm, I assume Genesis won't run on a KS2.05 machine?
I was just looking for a TCP/IP stack for my A600HD...

Guess Miami it is then...

[adolescent]

@QuikSanz

AS225 came out sometime in 91-92.  I think that predates Termite-TCP by about 4-5 years.

@Argus

Yes, the AS225R2 or INET225 packages are much newer and won't work with OS1.3.  I believe that only AS225R1 and betas work with OS1.3.  

@Cyberus

I use AmiTCP demo from Aminet on my A600.  Works great, no MUI overhead (although, you can run Miami without MUI too).  

[Cyberus]

Oh right, I'll have a look on Aminet for it. By the way, is it a pain to set up/configure? Or relatively straightforward?

[pjhutch]

AmiTCP is a little more difficult to configure than Miami or Genesis etc...

[DonnyEMU]

TCP/IP under 1.3??? Lordy it was exciting for us that it supported autoconfig and you could at a 5Meg hard drive to the  system.. Sometimes it's difficult to have historical perspective on this..

However Ameristar made a 10base2 ethernet adapter for the a1000 so maybe there is hope that something could surface..

[adolescent]

pjhutch wrote:
AmiTCP is a little more difficult to configure than Miami or Genesis etc...

Just a little. :-)  But if you're okay with a text editor you'll be okay.  I used the demo from Aminet and it's default installer.  It doesn't know about CNET.DEVICE so I just chose Ethernet/A2065 and then manually made the changes to the db files using the examples in the archive as reference.  

Pretty easy!  

Note:  I don't think you can copy the example files over verbatim as they are for AmiTCP 3.0b (demo on Aminet is 4.0).  But, I never tried.  I have a AmiTCP 4.2 key somewhere here that once I find I will upgrade to the final.  For now the limited use I get it works fine, although slow on the 000.

[patrik]

@Argus:

Do you remember if it was AS225r1 or AS225r2 you saw on eBay?


@Cyberus:

Genesis requirements:
-Amiga with 68000 CPU
-AmigaOS 2.04+
-Minimum 4 MB RAM
-Harddisk

This is according to Haage & Partners product page for Genesis. Alas Genesis should run on your A600HD provided it has enough memory.

You could always try AmiTCP 3.0b2 which is a version originally released to beta-testers. According to this page it is very stable and is essentially the same TCP/IP-stack as the AmiTCP 4.0 Demo. One of the most interesting thing with this stack is that it is last AmiTCP version distributed under GPL licensing.

It will be harder to set up AmiTCP than Genesis or Miami, but with a machine like your A600HD which I assume have limited amounts of memory it should be worth some extra work.

Btw, Genesis is essentially AmiTCP but with a GUI ontop to configure and control it. Also worth mentioning is that both AmiTCP and Genesis are faster than Miami.


@adolescent:

Then it sounds like AS225R1 would be the best bet. It would be very interesting to know if AmiTCP 1.0 can run under 1.3. According to this page, AmiTCP was a free implementation from the start. I know that version 2.0 to 3.0b2 was distributed under GPL licensing so its not impossible that it was distributed under GPL licensing from the very start.

Anyhow - GPL licencing or not, AmiTCP 1.0 was free so it should have been uploaded to fileshares like BBSes, Aminet, etc once in a time. It seems reasonable to think that someone should have it on an old disk or harddrive or something.


@DonnyEMU:

Yeah, it would be very exciting with TCP/IP on a 1.3 machine! Just imagine your old 1.3 machine being able to use some TCP/IP applications to communicate on a network :=).


/Patrik