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Mediator with Bvision PPC issues, HELP is needed.
« on: July 31, 2004, 07:12:40 PM »
hi, its me again :-)

today im trying to install bvision in my amiga1200.

i got w3d ppc and w3d 68k to work fine but now...

SOUNDBLASTER 128! , i only get garbage sound when i direct the sound trough my sb128 , with paula sound is fine.

WHAT have i overlooked? , any tips?

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Re: Mediator with Bvision PPC issues, HELP is needed.
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2004, 07:41:32 PM »
BVision and mediator together? Not heard of anybody using that combo before :-?
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Re: Mediator with Bvision PPC issues, HELP is needed.
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2004, 08:38:24 PM »
You need a special driver for this purpose dude!
It's called Crackator! It's cracks the nuts so you can eat them easily :-D
Amiga1200 in Ateo Tower, Phase5 Blizzard1260/50MHz, Phase5 SCSI-IV Kit, 64MB Fast-RAM, Elbox Mediator1200, Voodoo3000, SB128, PCI Ethernet Card, 30GB Quantum Fireball & 120GB Seagate Barracuda HDD, 48x24x48x LG CD-RW, 52x LG CD-ROM, Elbox FastATA1200
 

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Re: Mediator with Bvision PPC issues, HELP is needed.
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2004, 09:38:59 PM »
Hi Toaks!

Well, AFAIK you have to have PLUGGED a voodoo 3 in the mediator in order to usse the voodoos memory for the Sound blaster.

Try it out

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Re: Mediator with Bvision PPC issues, HELP is needed.
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2004, 10:09:58 PM »
Yah, Mediator requier you to run a PCI graphiccard so that the other PCI cards DMA work trough the graphiccards memory (or something like that, I'm not tech wizz)... else #ยค%& :-o

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Re: Mediator with Bvision PPC issues, HELP is needed.
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2004, 10:35:08 PM »
frank and brian:

yep something like that but i have tried it now and still same problem , must be some sort of a setting then or?

more help needed!
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Re: Mediator with Bvision PPC issues, HELP is needed.
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2004, 10:51:13 PM »
@lempkee

I guess you need to not only have a PCI graphics card physically connected but also use it for any of the PCI stuff to work. Ultimately, that would require P96 as your RTG and hence using the BVision would be more or less out of the question (well, almost, anyway)...
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Re: Mediator with Bvision PPC issues, HELP is needed.
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2004, 02:07:08 AM »
that suxx karlos..

ohwell no big loss...as ill return to voodoo3 in a min anyway...


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Re: Mediator with Bvision PPC issues, HELP is needed.
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2004, 12:47:35 PM »
Suck yes, but still likely to be the case. But oh well, you have a Voodoo3 card there so shouldn't be a problem tossing that BV card away. ;-)

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Re: Mediator with Bvision PPC issues, HELP is needed.
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2004, 02:07:54 PM »
@Brian

Don't underestimate the performance of the BVision when used with the right drivers...

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Re: Mediator with Bvision PPC issues, HELP is needed.
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2004, 04:28:36 PM »
I have both a CyberVision64/3D (P96), a BlizzardVision (CGFX4.2) and I have a Voodoo3 (P96)... Voodoo wins. ;-)

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Re: Mediator with Bvision PPC issues, HELP is needed.
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2004, 06:52:07 PM »
@brian

I have a voodoo3000 in a mediator system here (on a 28MHz 68040) and a BVision on another machine with a 25MHz 68040.

When it comes to sheer Warp3D rendering speed (on the 68K side  at least) as defined by vertex array triangle/sec, the Permedia2 flattens the Voodoo3000 - but only with right driver ;-)

On a 50MHz 68060 based BPPC, the same 68K driver outpaced A CSPPC 060 + Mediator4000/Voodoo4500 ;-)

What difference it makes to games is hard to tell since only a fraction of the time is spent in the renderer...

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Re: Mediator with Bvision PPC issues, HELP is needed.
« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2004, 10:12:13 AM »
Hmm... if we look at a specific figgure of a specific resolusion of a specific colour depth I'm sure you'll find that S3Virge chip or even AGA might beat the Voodoo card in something too.

I'm looking at the Overall picture and so I repeat... Voodoo wins. :-D

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Re: Mediator with Bvision PPC issues, HELP is needed.
« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2004, 12:15:19 PM »
Agreed. However, I'm specifically talking about tests that were carried out at 640x480 in 16-bit RGB.

The thing is that we never even reach the fill rate of either chipset on 680x0. The setup code (yes, after you've transformed your triangle list) is still expensive - there is a lot of steps required between reading a vertex array and writing the chip specific data. Then there is the physical bus speed which ultimately puts a wall on how fast the chip specific data can be fed to the GPU. On a system where your CPU power is very high, this last factor is decisive.

Imagine, for the sake of argument, each full vertex definition requires 32 bytes of data (coordinates, colour, texture coordinates, fog value etc).

There are 3 unique vertices per triangle. The Maximum write bandwidth of the BVision on a 25MHz 68040 is about 10M/s (was 18M/s on 060 which crucified the Mediator4000)

This gives us 10*1024*1024/32 = 327680 vertices/sec, which is 109227 triangles/sec limit. The Permedia2's delta unit can actually handle 800,000 triangles/sec as long as you can feed it quickly enough. Yes, the fill rate is low for the permedia2, only 43M/pix sec for fully shaded/textured/depth buffered (double that for non depth buffered) but in realistic applications you dont get close to this limit.

You can see, however, the P2 is already underutilised. You will only run into the fill rate limitation for large screen sizes, which due to the 8M RAM limit are impractical for 3D anyway.

The Voodoo3000, of course can handle way more than this. However, it too is limited by the physical bus speed (especially on 680x0/Mediator). Typical 68040 VRAM write speed is 7M/s on my loaned 28MHz 68040/Mediator1200/Voodoo3000 system. Thats already 30% lower than a slightly slower CPU on the BPPC.

Both cards are underutilised, but the voodoo is underutilised more than the Permedia2. Especially considering the voodoo hardware can do multitexturing in a single pass but is not yet supported at a driver level (to the best of my knowledge).

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Re: Mediator with Bvision PPC issues, HELP is needed.
« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2004, 12:52:54 PM »
gday mate,

I've got a pretty similar system to you and I'm not having any probs with my sb 128. You could try going into mixer and turning down, or muting your 3d sound. I've got mine muted coz it sounds crap and i control all that stuff externally. Hope that helps.

Will