Sturdy amigas!

[ent0mbed]

Martyn wrote:

That's really strange.  I've heard everyone say this about XP, yet, I've just had a new PC at work with XP installed and it's crashed more times in the past 2 weeks than my w2k box has in the past year.  It's awful, I hate it.  I'm considering installing 2k on there.

Martyn.

One thing you should really make sure you've done is get all of the critical updates from Microsoft using Windows Update.  Sorry that this is getting a bit off topic, but I hope this might help in your situation.  I support 150 computers at work all running either Win2K or WinXP and I think that both operating systems are really very nice.  I despised the PC at one point in time (early 90s), but they have really become great machines in the 2000s.  

[lordv]

@ALL:
It seems very funny. On the most pure amiga site, on its forum, people begin to teach each other, how to use windows on PC, how to get it working stable, how to set up patches etc. Moreover, they say they like windows, which, as they say, is the best and nicest.

Just nothing to say more...

[FastRobPlus]

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Moreover, they say they like windows, which, as they say, is the best and nicest.

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Looks like a burning, unreasoning hatred of Windows is not required in order to be an Amiga enthusiast!

Could Amiga users be more than just mindless fanboys?  Shocking! :-o

[Im>bE]

Ive been a 68k user since the dawn of amigas.

I got a hd in 95 or so,
and I still have the data
(and selfcreated data)
that I had on that hd.
Except what I deleted ofcourse.

My experience is that pc users
generally lose their data
several times a year.

:Arrogant mode on:
Do you know any pc user that has the data
they had a decade ago?
(that they want(ed) to keep)

I guess it depends on the person tho.

[HopperJF]

heh, I Still dont like PC's.
Nothing to do with reliability or usability, but I think Windows isnt a very good OS. It runs {bleep}loads of programs yes, but it looks ugly as hell without a load of customisation and you have to mess about with loads of things to get it workiing properly - something the average home user shouldn't be forced to do.

OSX all the way!

[lordv]

@FastRobPlus:

For those who haven't understood:

Mindless fanboys of windows are trying to speak about it everywhere. Normal amiga enthusiasts just want not to see windows discussion on amiga forums.

BTW, nobody says about linux, eh? So bill gates can have all the profit from you now

[Ilwrath]

Do you know any pc user that has the data
they had a decade ago?

Yeah, me, for one.  I don't really consider myself an Amiga "user" anymore.  I've got quite a collection of them, but honestly, there's little that I actually DO on them besides tinker around and play old games.  (All web, video, sound, and productivity software has been far surpased.)  The PCs are the workhorses, now.

But, I know of others, as well.  In fact, I'd be hard put to name more than one or two people who have had failures of either hardware or brain severe enough to cause them to lose data.  Installed programs, perhaps.  I usually format and re-install Windows if I've had a meltdown or hardware change of some kind severe enough to cause lingering problems with the old build.  

(Of course, the risk of losing data increases as more DRM BS gains a foothold, and you aren't ALLOWED to make backup copies, or move data to a new computer, but that's a subject for one of my own anti-Microsoft rants.)

I guess it depends on the person tho.

Exactly.  It has little, if anything, to do with the OS.  In fact, a MS system is EASIER for a clueless person to back up data on, because most new programs save everything to "My Documents" thus giving an easy target to backup/restore.

PC's sucks!
Besides my Amiga's, i've got a P4 PC
with Windows-XP on it.
The damn thing takes a long time to boot up,
and takes even a longer time to shut the piece
of crap down!
(I don't know why it's waiting that long,
 no work to save or something like that.)
One of these days I'll smash the stupid thing
with an axe or something!

 :pissed:  :hammer:

Just joking!

[ent0mbed]

While it is true that Amiga enthusiasts aren't coming here to talk about the windows OS I think it became a topic through a comparison made about how sturdy the Amiga is compared to the standard PC.  It's a valid discussion.  I think just about everyone agrees that the Amiga has amazing durability and on the other side of the coin some were just pointing out that the PC has definitely grown in the last decade into a very usable system.  As with anything (Amiga included) there will be exceptions and some people will get a lemon.

Why WinXP takes a long time to shut down?  One of the biggest reasons is it is saving restore points so that if something is wrong next time you use it you can return to a previous point in time when things functioned.  You can turn that feature off if you want.

Anyway, I'd like to say: sorry that my own posts have strayed away from the Amiga being sturdy.  It wasn't an attempt to toot the windows horn... I was just trying to lend some helpful hints to another forum member.  I wouldn't be here at all if I wasn't an Amiga enthusiast.

[FastRobPlus]

Back on the topic of sturdy Amigas...

If you ever open up an Amiga and look at the components, it reads like a who's who of good component fabrication companies.   I even saw a Micron expansion bus on ebay recently.  

I don't know if you guys remember, but the Coleco ADAM and the Commodore 64 (in 1983) had the #1 and #2 highest failure rates among home computers.  They were manufactured very cheaply.  The Amiga was light-years better in terms of reliability - even the A500.  The real problem point for the low end Amigas was its power supply.

ent0mbed wrote:

Why WinXP takes a long time to shut down? One of the biggest reasons is it is saving restore points so that if something is wrong next time you use it you can return to a previous point in time when things functioned. You can turn that feature off if you want.

The first thing I did when I installed WinXP,
was to turn that feature OFF. (the saving restore
points, that is.)
It still takes a long time to shut down.
When i'm in a hurry, and want to turn the PC off,
I just pull the power-plug out!
I think PC's are vééééééry slóóóóów when it comes
to turning it on or off.
My Amiga's are booting up within 7 seconds.
Amiga RULEZ!!!!!

[mikeymike]

:Arrogant mode on:
Do you know any pc user that has the data
they had a decade ago?
(that they want(ed) to keep)

I would have done, except the hard disk died.  Do Amigas stop that from happening then? :-)

- Moderator hat on - Guys, lets finish the "Amiga rulez! PCs suck!" comments here.  It is a little tedious to say the least -

Am I on the wrong site here?
I thought amiga.org is a site where people
who love the Amiga-computer, come together
for help, tips and to pick on PC's.

Guess there are a few Amiga-haters/traitors
on this site who are defending the PC with
heart and soul. It's better they move to another
site like 386dx.org or something like that!
There they can adore and worship the PC as much
as they want!

 :quickdraw:

Greetings to all REAL AMIGA lovers!   :pint:

[Sethy]

mikeymike wrote:

I would have done, except the hard disk died.  Do Amigas stop that from happening then? :-)

Yes!

Everyone knows 68k processors create structural integrity fields around HDs and have trilithium-based paraxial graviton stabilizers absorbing any shocks or vibration. They also got some advanced temporal caching where it retrieves data before you ask for it and (self-)repairing intelligent read/write heads on the HDs!

:-D

[mikeymike]

k-disk wrote:
Am I on the wrong site here?
I thought amiga.org is a site where people
who love the Amiga-computer, come together
for help, tips and to pick on PC's.

Guess there are a few Amiga-haters/traitors
on this site who are defending the PC with
heart and soul. It's better they move to another
site like 386dx.org or something like that!
There they can adore and worship the PC as much
as they want!

:roll:

We do not encourage mindless advocacy of any sort.  What we do encourage is intelligent discussion, particularly with regard to Amiga/compatible platforms.

[mikeymike]

Sethy wrote:

mikeymike wrote:
I would have done, except the hard disk died.  Do Amigas stop that from happening then? :-)

Yes!
Everyone knows 68k processors create structural integrity fields around HDs and have trilithium-based paraxial graviton stabilizers absorbing any shocks or vibration. They also got some advanced temporal caching where it retrieves data before you ask for it and (self-)repairing intelligent read/write heads on the HDs!:-D

Too much Star Trek for you :-)