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Offline SethyTopic starter

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Sturdy amigas!
« on: July 30, 2004, 07:15:47 PM »
Back in the days where my pops would have to explain computers to me, ( instead of the other way around like nowadays... ) the most effective way to fix our old A500 was to smack it a bit! I was lil back then, so I couldn't hit it hard, really. But it worked most of the time, solving weird freezes and several odd glitches.

A few months ago I got that same old A500 back from a friend my pop gave it to years ago. Decided to clean it up a bit an opened it for the first time. The smacking helped because of some funky dual-kickstart solution involving some ribbon cabling, some soldering and cramming 5 or so sockets on top of one another... I think...

I loved those things back then. No matter how hard I hit my computers nowadays, they all still suck compared to Amigas. As for the stupidest thing that happened to the A500? My dad gave it away and bought a 486 instead. I think I redefined the word "angry" that day...
 

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« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2004, 09:21:53 PM »
I understand what you are talking about. I rather use an Amiga then a PC, because PC has very much problems with MS Windows. Even XP Professional doesn't work very well.

Sometimes I have the very odd problems with IIS or share Internet with other PC's. But I like those 3d games like Far Cry and Max Payne 2.

I love to play with my old Amiga, but my Commodore 1084s monitor has some powering up problems, but the monitor gives sharp and good display when I bought it 10 years ago.

Amiga's are sturdiest computers of the world.
 

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« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2004, 09:22:11 PM »
Double post
 

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Re: Sturdy amigas!
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2004, 10:05:22 PM »
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I understand what you are talking about. I rather use an Amiga then a PC, because PC has very much problems with MS Windows. Even XP Professional doesn't work very well.


I want to know what you folks are doing to get such horrible results with newer machines.  As much as I hate to admit it, my current x86 workstation (which is usually booted into WinXP Pro) is a TON more stable than ANY Amiga I've ever owned.  

That list includes my tank of an A500, the "Flagship A2000 Professional," my little speed-demon 1200, AND my A4000/CSMK2-060/CV64-3D.

Right now, my XP box has 2 weeks uptime going.  That's not two weeks of idling, but two weeks of running BitTorrents of MST3k DAP episodes, running Papyrus NASCAR 2003, netKar, the odd game of UT2004, web-browsing, e-mail, video encoding, and sound editing.

The only reason my uptime is "only" two weeks is I installed some new video codecs and had to reboot for the changes to take effect.  Usually uptime is over a month, with no noticable drop in framerates in games.  Heck, I don't even pause/stop my BitTorrents before playing games, anymore.  With the HyperThreading on a P4, it's the smoothest, fastest modern workstation I've ever used.  In fact, it's the first PC running Windows that I can honestly say multi-tasks better than my A4000.

The most stable of my bunch of Amigas was the A2000, which could run a BBS for about a month before memory fragmented enough you needed to reboot it.  And even then, it was only about half the time it made it that far.  Sometimes it would just guru on it's own.  And if I was doing any amount of multi-tasking on it, forget it.  Reboot weekly or sooner.

When I was heavily using my A4000, I could get a full day's work before a reboot, which was quite good compared to a 486 running Windows 3.1 (which was "state of the art" at that time.) But no match for a modern workstation.  Like I said, I'm on two weeks on this PC, right now.

Don't get me wrong, Amigas are typically quite stable, but they just don't hold a candle to a well built current system.

99% of the instability people encounter can be blamed on one of four things:

1) Poor quality PC components.  
A PC is only as good as it's worst component.  You know that $15 power supply?  It's a problem.  You know that el-cheapo no-name RAM?  That's a problem, too.  The SiS chipset motherboard?  You guessed it -- problem.

2) Virus/spyware/software problems.
It goes without saying that viruses, spyware, and improper sotware versions will hurt system stability.  Keeping a clean system with the proper versions of programs for your OS helps a TON!

3) Improper Windows configuration.
Windows installs lots of services and junk.  Some of it you need, some of it you don't.  If you just blindly enable everything, your system will run really slow and be a magnet for viruses.  If you blindly DISABLE everything, your system will ALSO run really poorly, and crap will crash at odd times for no apparent reason.  You need to sort out exactly what each service does and determine if you need it or not.  Over time, I've best learned that you want to tweak much more than "mass disable."  

And, usually, running one of those "XP Lite" or other programs designed to rip out chunks of Windows is a horrible idea, stability wise.  Sure, it's fun to feel like you're flipping off Bill Gates, but in the end, you're the sucker.  Stuff expects to find certain files and versions in certain places.  If they're missing, modified, or an earlier version, problems ensue.

4) Driver issues.
You need to have proper drivers for everything.  Just because something "works" doesn't mean it's working right.  Personally, I prefer reference drivers for video over the OEM versions.  They are usually newer, faster and more stable.

Following these simple rules can give you uptimes of months on end, as well.  It's really not difficult.
 

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Re: Sturdy amigas!
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2004, 10:43:39 PM »
I myself use Windows XP, and it has never ever crashed on my ever since, and I dont even have the service pack installed yet. I am waiting for service pack 2 to be released.  But I have been happy ever since, but if you are comparing the fun out of games........DEFINATELY Amiga has some awsome games. Sure the gfx are not the top-notch, but in gameplay, it has plenty.  :-D
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Re: Sturdy amigas!
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2004, 11:05:24 PM »
Hi Sethy,

I like your short story.  Ever thought about becoming a writer?   :-)
My favorite TV shows:  Star Trek Voyager, Forever Knight, Stargate SG1, Married with Children, As Time Goes By, Mr. Bean, Smallville, The Six Million Dollar Man, and Xena
 

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Re: Sturdy amigas!
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2004, 11:23:28 PM »
I have to admit that my xp pc does a great job, though i do have to run anti spyware daily, and watch out for those damn trojans/viruses, though i can't blame the pc, it's just the way the internet is going. but i still find it hard to find a pc game that beats the gameplaying of the old amiga games, dungeon master, eye if the beholder etc
 

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Re: Sturdy amigas!
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2004, 02:20:37 AM »
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I understand what you are talking about. I rather use an Amiga then a PC, because PC has very much problems with MS Windows. Even XP Professional doesn't work very well.
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This is a really odd comparison.  The Amiga is was mostly a closed system (same BIOS, similar chipsets, etc) Windows must run on near-infinite variations of hardware, much of it comodity-grade.  A better comparison would be to compare the Amiga to Pocket PCs or smartphones.



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I love to play with my old Amiga, but my Commodore 1084s monitor has some powering up problems, but the monitor gives sharp and good display when I bought it 10 years ago.
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Most 1084S monitors were made by Philips/Magnavox or Daewoo.  Basicly, you are saying that older eqipment seems to last longer than today's brandX commodity-grade eqipment.  

The moral isn't that WinXP is bad and Amiga OS is good.  The moral is: you get what you pay for.
 

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Re: Sturdy amigas!
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2004, 03:55:24 AM »
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BoingBoss wrote:
Hi Sethy,

I like your short story.  Ever thought about becoming a writer?   :-)


Well, considering this was meant to be a reply to another post, not a seperate thread, I highly doubt I'd make a good writer. Talked to a publisher about it but he mentioned something about me releasing individual chapters as books instead and not checking what the heck I am doing in the first place... Ahem...

Sooo, excusez-moi! Doesn't change the point that Amigas were awesome though and could defininitely spank any PC back then. Nowadays things will get tougher alright. But then again, we're comparing modern PCs to 1980/early 90s hardware.
 

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Re: Sturdy amigas!
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2004, 06:25:18 AM »
I agree with what most of you are saying about WinXP... by far the most stable OS I have used on the PC.  If I do experience a problem it's because I did something stupid or went to a crap filled website.  I really think people that criticize it just have a hatred for Microsoft in general.

Side note and off topic: those of you having spyware problems on the PC should really switch to Mozilla Firefox for a web browser.  I haven't had a pop-up or new spyware since I made the move.  Get it at www.mozilla.org

Back on topic: There is no way I'd ever try to take anything away from the Amiga either.  My A1200 is amazing.  I still get misty just thinking about the days when I first started on the Amiga.  My PCs tend to last about 3 years before I off them on some nephew or such... but I'll never dump the Amiga.  If anything I'm going to be investing more in it!  :-D
 

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Re: Sturdy amigas!
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2004, 08:14:42 AM »
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There is no way I'd ever try to take anything away from the Amiga either. My A1200 is amazing. I still get misty just thinking about the days when I first started on the Amiga. My PCs tend to last about 3 years before I off them on some nephew or such... but I'll never dump the Amiga. If anything I'm going to be investing more in it!


Oh, exactly.  It's important to keep it all in perspective.  The Amiga was incredible for it's time, and it still has a great feel and "soul" to it.  I'll never sell my A4000.

However, your modern computer should be quite a bit more stable and reliable than the old Amigas.  If not, you've surely done something very wrong.
 

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Re: Sturdy amigas!
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2004, 01:10:21 PM »
It's like people who use 303s or Moogs... It's not the most advanced or featureful, it just has a feel, and soul.
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Re: Sturdy amigas!
« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2004, 01:13:56 PM »
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ent0mbed wrote:
I agree with what most of you are saying about WinXP... by far the most stable OS I have used on the PC.  If I do experience a problem it's because I did something stupid or went to a crap filled website.  I really think people that criticize it just have a hatred for Microsoft in general.


That's really strange.  I've heard everyone say this about XP, yet, I've just had a new PC at work with XP installed and it's crashed more times in the past 2 weeks than my w2k box has in the past year.  It's awful, I hate it.  I'm considering installing 2k on there.

Martyn.
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Re: Sturdy amigas!
« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2004, 06:04:08 PM »
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That's really strange. I've heard everyone say this about XP, yet, I've just had a new PC at work with XP installed and it's crashed more times in the past 2 weeks than my w2k box has in the past year. It's awful, I hate it. I'm considering installing 2k on there.
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I heard the same story from a friend of my Wife about 3 days ago.  He said: "Why did I try and install XP?  I was so happy with Win 2000!  XP crashes all the time!"

He took it to a friend who replaced components on his system part by part.  It was the power supply.  Now that he has a non-defective PS, Windows XP runs with no crashes.
The moral:  Everybody expects Windows XP to work in all situations, and it's the first thing to get blamed for crashes.
The other moral: commodity-grade components will bite you someday.
 

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Re: Sturdy amigas!
« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2004, 07:04:04 PM »
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That's really strange.  I've heard everyone say this about XP, yet, I've just had a new PC at work with XP installed and it's crashed more times in the past 2 weeks than my w2k box has in the past year.  It's awful, I hate it.  I'm considering installing 2k on there.

Martyn.


One thing you should really make sure you've done is get all of the critical updates from Microsoft using Windows Update.  Sorry that this is getting a bit off topic, but I hope this might help in your situation.  I support 150 computers at work all running either Win2K or WinXP and I think that both operating systems are really very nice.  I despised the PC at one point in time (early 90s), but they have really become great machines in the 2000s.