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Pegasos/AmigaONE confusion.
« on: July 30, 2004, 06:26:56 PM »
I've been thinking about buying a PPC computer, and I don't really want a mac, so I'm considering getting either an AmigaOne or a Pegasos motherboard.  The problem is that I'm not really clear on which OS's each system supports.  I'm assuming that both run PPCLinux and OSX(via MacOnLinux), but I'd appreciate verification of this.  
What I'm primarily concerned with is whether or not it is possible to run MorphOS on an A1 or AOS4 on Pegasos.  For that matter, is there any way to run AOS4 or Morphos on a Mac?  
The reason I want to know all this is that I want a computer that will let me play with as many exotic OS's as possible.  I'm not looking to replace my PC or anything like that.
 

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Re: Pegasos/AmigaONE confusion.
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2004, 06:31:28 PM »
...and the instructions go on to read, "Having ignited the blue touch paper, stand well back..." ;-)
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Re: Pegasos/AmigaONE confusion.
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2004, 06:39:05 PM »
Morphos -> Pegasos only (maybe a Mos on Mac kinda idea in the future if I remember Bill Buck correctly). Tho MOS can be made to run on an AmigaONE I don't think anybody outside the MOS development team has done/seen that.

A version for the classic Amiga (with PPC card) line might still be possible tho I believe the decided against that not so long ago..


AmigaOS4 -> AmigaONE and classic Amiga (with PPC card). Definatly no version for the Pegasos (Pegasos 2 is I think definatly a no go (different chip set) Pegasos 1 is rather alike the AmigaONE so people could hack it I guess). Don't hold your breath for a Mac version..


Both boards can run Linux, but I think the Peg is able to run more different kinds of Linux. IIRC a BeOS version  was to be made for the Pegasos as wel, but I haven't read anything about that in a log time..

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Re: Pegasos/AmigaONE confusion.
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2004, 06:45:46 PM »
@kedawa

If you want to be able to run OS4, your choice is limited to the AmigaOne or a classic Amiga with PPC accelerator. There is no plans to port OS4 to any other platform. There is also no plans to port MorphOS to the AmigaOne.

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The reason I want to know all this is that I want a computer that will let me play with as many exotic OS's as possible.


If that's the case then your choice will be very easy. Buy a Pegasos II PPC board. The AmigaOne is only supporting OS4. There is a handfull of Linux builds for the AmigaOne, but they all suffer from a lack of DMA support and this will not change ever. The Pegasos II has numerous *nix distros with full official support and MorphOS. Other OSes like QNX are rumored to be just around the corner

By the way, welcome to Amiga.org. Please note your questions may be a hot topic and may start some bickering. Everyone has opinions and are very opinionated:-)
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Re: Pegasos/AmigaONE confusion.
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2004, 06:46:16 PM »
Neither MOS or OS4 will work on a Mac. OS4 will not work on Pegasos, and MOS will not work on AmigaONE. These things you can be sure of, unless there is a titanic change in direction.

As for Linux and BSD, most distros will run on A1, Pegasos and Mac. However, no kernels are adapted for Articia 'features' so on A1 you'll have to disable IDE UDMA - making Linux *very* slow. You can also run MacOS on MOL on either A1 or Pegasos.

Pegasos is designed and marketed to run as many OS's as possible. AmigaONE is targetted only at OS4 at the moment, and considerably more expensive.

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Re: Pegasos/AmigaONE confusion.
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2004, 06:51:33 PM »
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Edit: boo, Red got there first. ;-)


How it should be :-P

But seriously, I am just popping the cork on the virtual champagne bottle for my 6000th post, and you are knocking on the door of 7000 :-o There's something wrong with this picture :lol:
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Re: Pegasos/AmigaONE confusion.
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2004, 07:02:55 PM »
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But seriously, I am just popping the cork on the virtual champagne bottle for my 6000th post, and you are knocking on the door of 7000 :-o There's something wrong with this picture :lol:


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Re: Pegasos/AmigaONE confusion.
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2004, 07:06:26 PM »
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But seriously, I am just popping the cork on the virtual champagne bottle for my 6000th post, and you are knocking on the door of 7000. There's something wrong with this picture.

Indeed, you both have too much time at hand :-P
 

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Re: Pegasos/AmigaONE confusion.
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2004, 07:08:55 PM »
Thanks for the input, I'll definitely look into the Pegasos II more seriously, although it will probably be several months before I buy anything.  
I'm surprised that OSX runs on other PPCs, but MorphOS and AOS4 don't, since OSX was also meant to run on proprietary hardware.  Is there some major technical issue in the way, or just not enough interest?
btw, I'm really surprised at how quickly I got replies on this thread.  I thought an Amiga forum would be a ghost town!  I'm glad to see there's still active amiga users out there.
 

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Re: Pegasos/AmigaONE confusion.
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2004, 07:08:58 PM »
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There is no plans to port OS4 to any other platform.


Says who?
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Re: Pegasos/AmigaONE confusion.
« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2004, 07:22:15 PM »
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There is no plans to port OS4 to any other platform.


Says who?


Oh really?? I'm all ears!

BTW my A4000PPC is waiting anxiously for OS4!
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Re: Pegasos/AmigaONE confusion.
« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2004, 07:35:46 PM »
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...and the instructions go on to read, "Having ignited the blue touch paper, stand well back..." ;-)


beautifully put :-)
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Re: Pegasos/AmigaONE confusion.
« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2004, 07:37:23 PM »
@kedawa

I can't believe I'm about to say this, but if you want to be able to play with as many OS's/distros as possible, I might be inclined to stick with x86 instead, for now. Cheaper than any PPC-alternative, so by the time PPC makes a real leap in the market a few years down the line, it mightn't be entirely impossible to get a mobo at a more consumer-ready price. I wouldn't swear by it though, but I wouldn't entirely rule it out. In a few years. If we are to assume that the PPC might actually grab a fair share of the market, then prices ought to drop a bit.
And, if AmigaOS / MorphOS and their respective hardware are nothing more than niche OS'es catering for a few 1000 users in a few years time, I woulnd't bet on either of them having a very bright future.

Something to think about, maybe. Unless you're a complete fanatic, and want something Amiga'ish right now, preferably yesterday. ;-)

Then again, if your PC isn't in desperate need of something to replace it, and you just want to spend some cash on fun computing, as a hobby, diving into the alternative computing flora, I can definitely see where you're coming from.

As for alternatives to OS'es, from what I've read, I think the PegII seems like a better choice. Though someone else would have to tell you what they are. I do know that I have Debian running on my AmigaOne, and there are quite a few A1 users who've got MOL running. But that's true within the Peg community too.

I do think you should put a bit more thought into the possibility of running AOS/MOS as your main OS on the machine, as that's the only really huge advantage of going A1/Peg over any other alternative. (Unless you plan on buying a bunch of hundred boards and are concerned about power consumption :-P)

And for that purpose, I'd advice you to check both of them out a bit further before making up your mind (unless you already know you'd prefer one over the other).

With that said, I myself am a happy owner of the A1, and am currently using the pre-release of OS4 as my main OS. I occasionally boot into Debian for some GIMP'ing or word processing, but apart from that, OS4 along with a few of the apps I've installed does fulfill most of my daily needs.

I'm sure there's a bunch of MOS-users who could step up and say something similar about MorphOS, though. So, again, I'd strongly recommend checking both OS'es out to see which one feels more like home to you.
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Re: Pegasos/AmigaONE confusion.
« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2004, 08:29:24 PM »
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Oh really?? I'm all ears!


All I'm saying is that you don't really know what is planned ;-)

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Re: Pegasos/AmigaONE confusion.
« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2004, 09:06:10 PM »
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What I'm primarily concerned with is whether or not it is possible to run MorphOS on an A1 or AOS4 on Pegasos. For that matter, is there any way to run AOS4 or Morphos on a Mac?
The reason I want to know all this is that I want a computer that will let me play with as many exotic OS's as possible. I'm not looking to replace my PC or anything like that.


If it's just for playing around with different OSs then the Pegasos has a bunch of different OSs either running or in development, at the moment it's MorphOS and a number of Linux distros (and MacOnLinux) but Haiku (formally OpenBeOS), Zeta, QNX, NewOS and several more should appear at some point.  (I used to work for the folks selling the Pegasos and was the one organising this, I'm not sure of their status at this point though).

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OS4 does not run on Pegasos but my understanding is that it's a question of licensing. As to whether anyone will ever do the licensing is another question altogether.

MorphOS will not run on the AmigaONE, it did run on a previous version of the same board (I've even seen it) but the BIOS is different now so it would need modified to run, I don't expect those changes will be made.

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I'm sure someone else can fill you in on the AmigaONE details.