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Re: MorphOS official release?
« Reply #44 from previous page: January 31, 2003, 08:35:57 PM »
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zacman wrote:
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MorphOS already runs on BlizzPPC (since public
beta 0.2/0.3 IIRC) so I see no reason why it shouldn't
be released for it :)


- "we will sell MorphOS alone, but this will be a strategy primarily directed at Apple computer owners"
- Genesi does not sell HW for the classic Amigas
- it migh decrease pegasos sales
- it might divide R&D support efforts even further
- it lowers the lowest common nominator (or whatever), and it would make game developers work harder (see XBOX game deveopment vs harder PC game develoment)
 

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Re: MorphOS official release?
« Reply #45 on: January 31, 2003, 08:38:06 PM »
@Nicholas

I would like to get simple answers to the following:

- Does the MorphOS (that is currently being shipped to pegasos buyers) contain all those features/items that are mentioned in the featurelist (exluding those that are said to be in development in the featurelist)?
(I think it should, if you guys sell it with pegassos and refer to the featurelist. Or you should update your website accordingly (IMHO).)

- People seem to have got BT2 package untill now, when will the 1.0 (or the next version) ship?
(a little while ago it was said at pegasosppc.com that BETATESTER version is not good enough for end users)


@any official Genesi guy with the information

I would also like to see clarifications to these:

"  In the future, we will sell MorphOS alone, but this will be a strategy
primarily directed at Apple computer owners and be "hidden" under an
application (probably a game), running from a CD (or a plug and play
device) and NOT the host hard drive (no partitioning required)."

- So you are NOT planning stand alone MophOS version for Apple computers, are you?


"we will sell MorphOS alone, but this will be a strategy
primarily directed at Apple computer ... We will work
something out for other PPC based platforms too."

- How about CSPPC and BPPC owners. Will they be able to get MorphOS1.0 as a stand alone installation (not needing to buy things like smart card reader with it)?
- If so, will it happen during this year?
- And will CSPPC/BPPC+Mediator users be supported?

" As mentioned here and on ANN we already had MorphOS running on the basic version of the A1."

- Does the basic A1 mean the TeronCX or a AmigaOneSE with the special ROM?
- Do you plan to release stand alone MorphOS1.0 for A1 boards?
- If so, will it happen during this year?

- Do you plan to release stand alone MorphOS1.0 for TeronCX/PX boards?
- If so, will it happen during this year?



Something else:

- Is Genesi planning to open up CPU slot specs to third party CPU card manufacturers?
- Genesi seems to be planning to do a lot of things at the same time (PDA, CPU cards, Pegasos2, STB, server and traditional Thendic products). Most need a totally new HW and a lot of new SW. How are you going to manage to handle the huge R&D work amount?
  (I wish you would not promise things that are unrealistic, see what AI did and pissed off the community.)
- Are you going to get your numerous web pages updated anytime soon? For example the pegasos information at your eclipsis pages are highly missleading, currently.
- When will MorphOS be able to run memory protected applications in the Q-Box?
- Are printed manuals planned for MorphOS / pegasos?
- What kind of CPU cards are planned to be shipped during this year?
- Will there be L3 cache on pegasos CPU cards during this year?
- Will there be SMP support in the MorphOS during this year?

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About the featurelist:
- should there be floppy support in the in development/planned section?
- There's OS Components in the TOC of the document, but there is no such chapter in the body of the doc.
- It would be nice if available features (like the currently usable kernel features) were more clearly said in the document.
- It would also be nice if things like "distributed computing" and "Clan/Chief model" would be explained in a little bit more words.
 

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Re: MorphOS official release?
« Reply #46 on: January 31, 2003, 09:32:54 PM »
Jumpship said:

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YOUR  having a bad day !!

Look where I've been "playing"




A14 Cambridgeshire closed


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Re: MorphOS official release?
« Reply #47 on: January 31, 2003, 09:57:52 PM »
@The_Editor

Good Lord!  You need a :pint: after that!
Regards,
Targhan
 

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Re: MorphOS official release?
« Reply #48 on: January 31, 2003, 10:00:09 PM »
Damn right !!   :-D
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Re: MorphOS official release?
« Reply #49 on: January 31, 2003, 11:26:38 PM »
@the_editor

I feel for you man!

My house mate has a friend who was caught up in all that, spent the night in his car freezing. Fortunatly he had a thick coat in the back of his car because of the cold weather so he didn't freeze, but his ears were a bit chilly!
 

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Re: MorphOS official release?
« Reply #50 on: February 01, 2003, 12:49:04 AM »

OK I'll try and answer what I can but I'm not party to everything thats going on and on some fronts final decisions have yet to be taken.

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- Does the MorphOS (that is currently being shipped to pegasos buyers) contain all those features/items that are mentioned in the featurelist (exluding those that are said to be in development in the featurelist)?
(I think it should, if you guys sell it with pegasos and refer to the featurelist. Or you should update your website accordingly (IMHO).)

- People seem to have got BT2 package until now, when will the 1.0 (or the next version) ship?
(a little while ago it was said at pegasosppc.com that BETATESTER version is not good enough for end users)


As I said the features list is what we're working towards and what you'll get, but maybe not quite right now.  MorphOS is at this point aimed at more advanced users who have a reasonable idea of what they're doing.

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- How about CSPPC and BPPC owners. Will they be able to get MorphOS1.0 as a stand alone installation (not needing to buy things like smart card reader with it)?
- If so, will it happen during this year?
- And will CSPPC/BPPC+Mediator users be supported?


We do plan to ship MorphOS for CVPPC and BPPC but there are problems with some cards which may never be solved simply due to time and resources.  This is a potential support nightmare and is the explanation why nothing beyond an old beta has ever been released for those cards.

Mediator - No plans at this minute, highly unlikely to change.

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- Does the basic A1 mean the TeronCX or a AmigaOneSE with the special ROM?
- Do you plan to release stand alone MorphOS1.0 for A1 boards?
- If so, will it happen during this year?

- Do you plan to release stand alone MorphOS1.0 for TeronCX/PX boards?
- If so, will it happen during this year?


I don't think a final decision has been made on support for either the A1 or the Teron Boards but given the problems we've had with the Articia on our own board it's debatable if we could get MorphOS to work properly on other systems without the same hardware fixes.  But as I said there's yet to be a final decision.

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- Genesi seems to be planning to do a lot of things at the same time (PDA, CPU cards, Pegasos2, STB, server and traditional Thendic products). Most need a totally new HW and a lot of new SW. How are you going to manage to handle the huge R&D work amount?
(I wish you would not promise things that are unrealistic, see what AI did and pissed off the community.)


Ever wondered why we are hiring ;-)
There is a lot to do and it needs very careful management to keep on track.  That's why we've brought in an experienced management team from Crossbee.
Don't expect everything to appear at once...

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- Are you going to get your numerous web pages updated anytime soon? For example the pegasos information at your eclipsis pages are highly missleading, currently.


Yes, a whole new web structure is being developed.
Why do you think the Eclipsis pages are misleading?

Other questions:

Q-Box: Don't hold your breath.
SMP: Needs Q-Box.

CPUs: This is sometimes beyond our control e.g? A CPU we wanted to use for one project was recently delayed.  Also some CPU suppliers tend to be vague at the best of times.

Features list:
Better Explanations - It's just a features list, not a book, do you want the team to be producing the features or just writing about them?
Some things may be implemented and used in the system but not available to developers and/or users, these are features but there's little point elaborating further.

To all other questions the answer is one of:
A) I'm not sure,
B) I don't know,
C) I do know and I'm not telling you ;-)

Hope this Helps.

Nicholas Blachford
 

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MorphOS and the future...
« Reply #51 on: February 01, 2003, 05:54:28 AM »
Good job Nicholas!

Here is something to think about this weekend concerning Morph-on-Mac...  We have two strains of thought and we are discussing the virtues of each approach.

1. Target pre-nvidia PPC Macs

2. Target the newest sytems

Bring life back to "old" systems or stay with the market...

What do you think?

Thanks for the feedback.

Sincerely,

R&B :-)

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Re: MorphOS and the future...
« Reply #52 on: February 01, 2003, 10:01:00 AM »
Hello,

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bbrv wrote:

1. Target pre-nvidia PPC Macs

2. Target the newest sytems


Well in fact Apple seems to always use ATI also (look at the latest PowerMacs, they are using both ATI Radeon and NVidia (depending of the model).
So I think it'll be needed to at least support ATI (the easiest as there are ATI Radeon driver already for MorphOS IMHO) and at best support ATI and NVidia.

And yes IMHO the recent systems should be targetted (Radeon iBooks, Radeon and NVidia Powerbooks, Radeon and NVidia PowerMacs, NVidia iMacs, NVidia eMacs). But I think this will need lot of work :( Maybe targetting the laptops first would be better as this is more interesting than desktop machines as there is already the Pegasos for that :)

Regards
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Re: MorphOS and the future...
« Reply #53 on: February 01, 2003, 11:36:47 AM »
We just posted this on another thread, but it seems relevant here too.

...we are thinking that the whole "value" proposition is changing. With the emphasis on the speed of the CPU and the size of the memory, the computer became an end in itself and not a means to an end. While being a “fashion statement” could also be enviable (we actually saw a 50+ year old wearing a mobile in a designer case on a colorful cord around her neck recently), to the market we are targeting this is not yet our ambition. G3 or G4? Who cares! What can you do is the issue (G-Force does not sound too bad though). How about a “G”bit Ethernet channel (or three in the northbridge)?

Seriously, the domination of Windows and the “personal computer” itself have pushed the average user away from understanding what is really “under the hood.” Most computer users have a superficial knowledge of what makes what they do work and the relationship between “man and machine” ends at the GUI. OK, someday we need to deliver exactly that “simplicity” to the market, but today, we have to focus on niches. For example, there will not be memory protection in MorphOS for some time, but we are not targeting MorphOS at either the server or the desktop for the mass-market, so while this will come in the QBox, it is not a feature and consequently they are not markets we are focused on (for MorphOS). On the other hand, Debian and Gentoo users like the Pegasos very much and have different aspirations for the platform. We are hoping that the OpenBSD port attracts plenty of interest too. Our first strike in the market is toward “techies” and “geeks,” who know what they are getting into and want something different NOW. They are the artist/creator/engineer types that can write their own programs and still know how to make a computer, a television or a stereo do what they want it to do (at home with a soldiering iron if necessary!). Ultimately, it will be those people that help us carry the message to the masses, because they will have helped us create it.


And, one more thing about MorphOS...until we feel MorphOS has all the features in needs to be sold, it will not be.  Anyone who buys a Pegasos will get it along free upgrades until then.  When we feel it is ready, we will release it to a broader market.  Will we do our best to provide "retro-support" too, but we cannot do everything at once and we are focused on the Pegasos for the moment.  ;-)

Best regards,
Raquel and Bill  :-)

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Re: MorphOS and the future...
« Reply #54 on: February 01, 2003, 05:54:09 PM »
Thank you Nicholas for your straight answers!

((I think pegasos is currently the best HW option and after those answers I'm more sure that you manage to refine the OS as well.))
 

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Re: MorphOS is the future!
« Reply #55 on: February 02, 2003, 12:48:18 PM »
Thanks ksk!

:-D

R&B

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Re: MorphOS official release?
« Reply #56 on: February 02, 2003, 01:55:35 PM »
I found it's a shame that powerup owner cannot have betters support to have morphos running on their systems.

I mean that powerup owner have shown their support, by buying a expensive product, to help the developpement of a ppc system.

So, knowing that morphos could be bought for their machine but that cannot be sure if it happen or when because there's no ressource effort to go in that way (while it so near) is really frustrating.
 

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Re: MorphOS official release?
« Reply #57 on: February 02, 2003, 02:16:41 PM »

There is?!

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Re: MorphOS official release?
« Reply #58 on: February 02, 2003, 02:41:56 PM »
>So, knowing that morphos could be bought for
>their machine but that cannot be sure if it happen
>or when because there's no ressource effort to go
>in that way (while it so near) is really frustrating.

I think you misunderstood Nicholas. The current
version of MorphOS is also available for PowerUp
cards, just not for public users yet. Because of  
many external cards/drivers you have to support
(clockport, various PCI boards etc.) there is of
course more work and internal testing needed until
you can release it.

Please have also in mind that Mr Carda said in
Aachen that the version of MorphOS for PowerUp
cards will "probably be for free".
 

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Re: MorphOS official release?
« Reply #59 on: February 02, 2003, 03:39:56 PM »
>I think you misunderstood Nicholas.

Yes, sorry for that!
It look like I'm hurry! :-)