Author Topic: MorphOS, AmigaOS 4 or BeOS (Read 8657 times)

kal · « **Reply #14 on:** July 26, 2004, 05:06:26 AM »

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Please forgive my ignorance. What is UAE?

UAE == Unix Amiga Emulator. Try winuae.net (I don't remember the URL for the UAE home page, but there's a link on the WinUAE site).

pc2mac · « **Reply #15 on:** July 26, 2004, 06:28:46 AM »

Thanks for the response !!

pc2mac · « **Reply #16 on:** July 26, 2004, 06:36:07 AM »

For the latest BeOS check out Yellowtab.com I ordered the RC3 of Zeta. Due to be here by the end of this month. I still have a few boxed versions of BeOS 5 Pro. but won't run on my newer hardware.

spirantho · « **Reply #17 on:** July 26, 2004, 10:10:24 AM »

I havent seen MOS running yet...so I'd stick w/OS4.

Seriously, AmigaOS 4 isn't ready yet for mainstream - but it's very close. I've not seen MorphOs running at all recently, but I can say I'm very pleased with AOS4 - despite it being a pre-release it's become my main home machine already (the Windows machine is little more than a glorified Civilisation III console these days). And it's really nice to code for, too! The API is much nicer from what I've seen, compared to older AmigaOSes - which is what MorphOS is based on.

Put it this way - no way am I getting rid of my AmigaOne...

drHirudo · « **Reply #18 on:** July 26, 2004, 10:53:22 AM »

In alphabetical order:
AmigaOS
BeOS
....
MorphOS
....
Windows

:-D

Warface · « **Reply #19 on:** July 26, 2004, 11:53:31 AM »

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cecilia wrote:
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plus the GUI [OS4] seems amazingly configurable.

Maybe it's just me, but on each OS4 screenshot I saw the very same GUI, save some color differences.

minator · « **Reply #20 on:** July 26, 2004, 12:18:24 PM »

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In alphabetical order:
AmigaOS
BeOS

You do know the name Amiga was picked in part becasue they wanted something alphabetically before Apple.

Amiga1200PPC · « **Reply #21 on:** July 26, 2004, 12:58:31 PM »

spirantho Posted on: 2004/7/26 11:10
Re: MorphOS, AmigaOS 4 or BeOS

I havent seen MOS running yet...so I'd stick w/OS4.

Seriously, AmigaOS 4 isn't ready yet for mainstream - but it's very close. I've not seen MorphOs running at all recently, but I can say I'm very pleased with AOS4 - despite it being a pre-release it's become my main home machine already (the Windows machine is little more than a glorified Civilisation III console these days). And it's really nice to code for, too! The API is much nicer from what I've seen, compared to older AmigaOSes - which is what MorphOS is based on.

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I have to disaggree, I would by no means call the "AOS4" API
nicer.

mikeymike · « **Reply #22 on:** July 26, 2004, 01:38:42 PM »

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I beg your pardon, have a look at the code examples, please.
They totally screwed AOS4, sorry.

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spirantho · « **Reply #23 on:** July 26, 2004, 01:48:31 PM »

troll

Looking at most threads Wishmaster has taken part in on this and the AmigaWorld.net, many of his contributions have been the one-sided fanatical sort which gives Pegasos/MorphOs a bad name.... Maybe one day we'll all learn that we're fighting a common cause....

KennyR · « **Reply #24 on:** July 26, 2004, 03:30:38 PM »

Wishmaster means the suspiciously unamigalike changes that have to be made to Amiga source to get it to compile on OS4. This is because of their replacement of vector tables which is unwieldy and unnecessary. The Friedens have simply talked away any objections to this system, but they have been told about it.

The conception of many coders outside OS4 (and I don't mean just MOS, I mean AOS and AROS coders too) is that OS4 is a conceptual mess, and isn't getting any better. Anyone who knows how to code can look at code of OS4 ports for examples of weird changes made for OS4.

spirantho · « **Reply #25 on:** July 26, 2004, 03:38:11 PM »

@KennyR:

Thanks for clearing that up in a non-biased way.
It's true that the Frieden's have 'modernised' the AmigaOS API rather a lot, but personally I've yet to see anything that I completely disagree with - far from it. The problem is, that to make big changes you will have to causes changes in old source, but that shouldn't mean you shouldn't ever change the API. Just look at the Windows mess for an example of that....

cecilia · « **Reply #26 on:** July 26, 2004, 05:10:31 PM »

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Warface wrote:
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cecilia wrote:
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plus the GUI [OS4] seems amazingly configurable.

Maybe it's just me, but on each OS4 screenshot I saw the very same GUI, save some color differences.
well, they probably didn't change them much.
:-D
seriously, i went into the prefs in the system i had my hands on and looked at the different things you can change.
now, this OS is still being developed (like, what isn't? :lol:) and certain things i tried to change were not working - yet.
but some things i was able to alter. my point is that it's alot more involved than what we as used to with OS3.9

and I was looking at a machine that is owned by a beta tester - se he gets new updates all the time.

dambala · « **Reply #27 on:** July 30, 2004, 11:34:00 AM »

I've not yet see MOS or AmigaOS 4 running...
I've see them only in a demo movie.

But I can say something about BeOS (PC). It was great!
In few month I learned to program it's API and I wrote a game:
ThemeTris (you can find it on bebits.com).

It was "simple" and powerfull, not another Windows like OS.

I think AmigaOS 4 will be great!

mikeymike · « **Reply #28 on:** July 30, 2004, 11:56:34 AM »

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KennyR wrote:
Wishmaster means the suspiciously unamigalike changes that have to be made to Amiga source to get it to compile on OS4. This is because of their replacement of vector tables which is unwieldy and unnecessary. The Friedens have simply talked away any objections to this system, but they have been told about it.

The conception of many coders outside OS4 (and I don't mean just MOS, I mean AOS and AROS coders too) is that OS4 is a conceptual mess, and isn't getting any better. Anyone who knows how to code can look at code of OS4 ports for examples of weird changes made for OS4.

KennyR, I love the implication there that "OS4 is just OS3.1 recompiled on PPC", but I'd like to know where you get your information from with regard to "unamigalike changes".

Cymric · « **Reply #29 from previous page:** July 30, 2004, 12:26:17 PM »

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KennyR wrote:
Wishmaster means the suspiciously unamigalike changes that have to be made to Amiga source to get it to compile on OS4. This is because of their replacement of vector tables which is unwieldy and unnecessary. The Friedens have simply talked away any objections to this system, but they have been told about it.

Replacement of vector tables? You mean the system of _LVOsomefunction() thingies? What was the rationale for replacing them? Why is their solution bad?

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The conception of many coders outside OS4 (and I don't mean just MOS, I mean AOS and AROS coders too) is that OS4 is a conceptual mess, and isn't getting any better. Anyone who knows how to code can look at code of OS4 ports for examples of weird changes made for OS4.

Given the fact that you need a very big search light in order to find developers or genuine OS4 code, can you back up your claims with production code for us to examine? It would be very interesting to see all those 'weird changes' in the wild.

Mind: I don't own an A1, nor a Pegasos---as far as I'm concerned they're overpriced and underpowered compared to my Linux development system. I am asking the above out of curiosity, since I have done a fair amount of programming on AmigaOS 2.04 and 3.0. So you can understand that it would be interesting to see what happened with 4.0.