Cybervision 3d problems

[Gavilan]

Hi! im needing help again from you guys. I have just installed a Cybervision 3d on my amiga 4000 running os 3.9. Everything during installation was perfect, no errors, just all cool. I was using my 1942 monitor. Then i reboot and connected the pc monitor (Goldstar Studioworks 44m SVGA), i saw the logo, and...beatiful 16 bit workbench screen. The problems appear just after this. Every single time i try to open a anything, my machine hangs up. I mean, the screen freezes, the mouse pointer doesnt respond, and then the screen goes black and i have to reset. I have a warp engine 040 accelerator and 96 megas ram on this machine. Nothing else. I have no ideas about graphics cards on Amiga, its the first time ever i have a graphics card on any Amiga, so please anyone who could enlighten me on this issue?? Thanks!!!
Sebastian

[Rigger]

The simplest fix would be to install Picasso96

Picasso96.lzx

[Gavilan]

Hi!...well..i have tried Picasso96...same results...everytime i try to test the screen on the pc monitor..i get a hang up....damn...im newbie on this and im getting mad not being able to use the graphics card on my Miggy!!!

 :-o

[Quixote]

Gavilan griped:

...Every single time i try to open a anything, my machine hangs up. I mean, the screen freezes, the mouse pointer doesnt respond, and then the screen goes black and i have to reset. I have a warp engine 040 accelerator and 96 megas ram on this machine. Nothing else.

:-( I experienced similar troubles with an older Mac Powerbook.  Any attempt to open a window hung up the machine.  The trouble had been that I had added more memory than the processor had been able to use.
;-) When opening a window, the first thing the operating system does is to look at the area where the window is going to be drawn, and copy the existing image data to RAM, so that it will be ready to copy back when the window is closed.  Mac OS seems to prefer to use the highest part of RAM, and in my case, the top of RAM had been beyond the reach of the processor.

In your case, I would try checking the RAM, or jumper settings on the CyberVision card relating to memory.

[jj]

hi, I had similar problem with this card on my A1200, not exactly the same, but similar. I too had lots of problems with my bvision.  My advice would be to make sure u are using the latest version of cybergraphix.  You can download this from   http://vgr.com/v4/

Hope this helps

[amigau]

do the usual 'startup' dance:

1) comment out your user-startup in your startup-sequence using a semi-colon, so it is ignored on bootup;

2) drag anything in WBStartup out of there so it's not started either

3) since you're using 3.9, you need not employ much of the hacks people use on earlier OS versions BUT, some of them still don't work on 3.9 so you might wanna stop using them anyway. .

Then reboot and see if you get things working again.

Also, try making sure your CD-rom support is correct and not messed up - I noticed in a brief experiment with 3.9 (had to go back to 3.1 due to incompatibility with some of the programs I wanted to use, unfortunately, really didn't want to) that it copies a 'secret' emergency CD-rom driver into the Devs dir and that seemed to prevent a correct bootup in some cases.

Does the computer boot correctly with your'emergency startup' floppy?  Because if so, check startup parameters there vs. your regular setup and see what's different, and change as needed.

The point on Picasso96 is a good one - I couldn't get my C64/3D to even work on my A2000 (even though it was brand new) until I gave up on CGX4 and went to Picasso96 - worked first time!  

But that didn't help my other computer, an A3000D with a CybervisionPPC graphics card - Picasso96 doesn't support that one, doh!

Good luck!

kevin orme
amiga university
www.amigau.com

[Jule]

I've got a 4000  (OS 3.9) with a warp engine and 96mbs of ram and am running a cybervision 3-d using cybergraphics v3 software and it is working fine with my KDS 15 LCD monitor, but I have to run it at 640x480 (24bit) because the monitor won't sync to the frequencies that the board generates for 800x600, etc.  So our systems seem pretty similar.  I wonder if  the problem might be with some other piece of software you have?  Jule

[Gavilan]

Hey Jule, it seems that we have pretty much the same equipment!! I have no programs on the wb startup, i hade a clean installed version of 3.9, i also have cgrx version 3. I also tried Picasso96 and the SAME happened. I seriously doubt that the problem is some software, since when the machine hangs up it hangs up just AFTER i try to open any window. I have tried a lot of things with no luck, you think my monitor (that could not be in synchro, BUT i CAN actually SEE the pic for about 5 seconds before the hang up) could be the faulty thing here? I have no seen any weird on my startup sequence or user startup...maybe if you give me some more advice we can sort this thing out? Could it be a faulty Cybervision?? Kind Regards!
Sebastian

[Gavilan]

Hi Kevin! thanks a lot for all tips...i let you know that my cd rom is working perfect...i have no programs in my wb startup...i did a clean install of the 3.9, have tried picasso96 and cvrx 3 and happens the same..i have no clue what could it be...Could it be a faulty Cybervision? Early Startup says its a Working board...and i can see it working for about 5 seconds before the machine completely hangs up...

Anyway...thanks a lot!
Regards!
Sebastian

[Rigger]

Thinking about this I remember having similar problems when I first installed my PIV card in my A4000. I first installed, on a clean OS3.5 install, CGX 3 and the machine froze, same for CGX 4 and again when I installed P96. I finally got it work when I did another clean OS3.5 install and then installed P96, no CGX installs attempted after this. I have tried using CGX a couple times since an it has always resulted in having to do a clean install on my system.

[KrasH]

I think that you don't have a major problem. Most likely the programs you are opening want to use Amiga screen resolutions and shoving the video through the Amiga's video outs. If you don't have the scandoubler for your CV643D I'd suggest that you just plug that 1942 back into the Amiga RGB port and see if the video is actually going to it. If so change screen res from Amiga ones to the CV643D ones. If the program won't allow it (only older games and some old old program might be this picky) then just use the 1942 for the programs that hate the CV643D

Oh and just a side note. If you do have a scandoubler for the CV643D make sure that in CyberGraphX in Prefs has the tooltype passthrough ticked. (Just double-click cybergraphX and select the tooltype tab when the window opens)

[Gavilan]

Hi! Well i already have 2 monitors attached to the Amiga, the 1942 for the native Amiga screens and the Goldstar for the pc ones. The issue is that every single time i try to open a window in the pc monitor, the machine hangs up, the screen freezes, and sometimes it reboots. I have tried at least 3 different versions of P96 & CGX and same result every single time. I have no clue of what could i do to solve this but it seems i wont be able to use my graphics card...

 :-?

[Colmiga]

Another thing to check would be the revision of your Buster chip. I've heard that CV643Ds get a bit unstable when running on an A4000 with revision 09 Buster chip. Solution in this case would be to upgrade to a revision 11 Buster chip.

If the above problem is what's wrong and you can't get a revision 11 Buster you could also try to force the card into Zorro II mode by way of a jumper on the card. Even if the Buster is not your problem it still wouldn't hurt to try Zorro II mode anyway to see what happens.

Word of warning: running the card in Zorro II mode will result in a performance penalty but if it solves your problem and you don't mind the performance then it may be okay for you.

[lempkee]

Small tip from me here:

Format the damn system again , and get someone who have a simmilar system as you to make a RECOVERY disk with os3.9 (if u have this) , then use his recovery disk (a floppy) and then all should be OK , if it aint , then its your buster rev or the gfx card..., but it might be some ram thats gone haywire aswell ;(

IMPORTANT: to make a recovery disk with such a sys you MUST have a HD disk (1.76) drive , as the normal 880kb disks/drives AINT enough and this is a serious BUG in the recovery disk option in os3.5/3.9 (it simply wont copy all files u need and worst of all EVEN WITHOUT telling so....)

good luck

[carls]

Maybe you have mode promotion turned on?
If yes: Try turning it off and see what happens!

Although I don't know much about OS3.9 (still very satisfied with 3.1 :-)), maybe there's some argument you could pass to SetPatch in case it tries to do some FBlit-like hack (IE use the CPU instead of the blitter, store Images in fast-ram etc.)

Also check that you have the newest picture datatypes installed!